The DotA Thread! [Basic Strats and Hero/Item talk]

[Dream_Walker]

well the replication skill is really annoying on morph .... i just finished using him and his wave form (i'll admit the graphic looks SORTA cooler) is lamed out.

yea it is a little cooler, does more damage, and costs less mana. BUT you have to blink; with the other Waveform you didnt.

 

[ChrisH36]

Its simply put a crappier version of Nether Swap.

 

[XDxxTX]

...never played him lol. But what do you say to these items for drow power treads, SY , perserverance ,hyperstone x2 man with the 2 hyperstones she attacks so fast that shes basicaly using her ulti all the time and u get max gold. Its so much fun ! . Oh and can someone help me with that thing under my name teh says"total newbie" and how do i change it ?!?

 

[Wing Zero]

SY on a range?
never seen that

 

[ChrisH36]

The only purpose I would see on a range is to improve strength and agility in one item.

 

[micro.micro]

to change total newbie you have to post more.

getting 2x hypers on drow isn't necessary. since she is a chaser more than a fighter, you get a MoM so when u activate it you run faster + attk faster and you opponet won't be fightning you since they're going to try to run so the extra dmg you take will be irrelavent unless you're dumb enough to chase a hero when his ally is around -.-

MoM has a cheap mana cost (25 mana) and the cooldown is decent so you can spam it creeping. after mask you can go straight away for a tier 4 item such as buriza. 400 dmg crits aren't anything to mess when when they're comming every 1-2 seconds.

btw, make SURE you don't start going after a hero at full health. the only possibility of this is picking off a full health, low hp intel/agil hero. i suggest backstabbing a hero that has already taken some dmg from an ally in the beginning so you can get EXP and with the extra levels start picking off stronger heroes.

 

[Dream_Walker]

Its simply put a crappier version of Nether Swap.

No, that is Replicate's side effect.

And for Drow, i suggest farming to Butterfly ASAP, then maybe Buriza, then a Hyperstone or 2. She doesn't need S&Y. Also Lothar's Edge is good on her.

 

[ChrisH36]

You can't get S/Y on Drow. If it triggers, then you cannot cast slow arrows. IF you need the hit points, then get a soul booster or something. Lothar's edge is good on any agility hero, especially if you are using the feeder Kardel.

Cause face it, unless you are good with him. You will just feed others while the only way you can kill is thru feeding.

 

[micro.micro]

yea kinda pointless to get SY when she already has frost arrows. i've always had trouble on which items to get when i need more hp on her, skaldi is overdoing it, so i always go linkins but i was wondering if something was better (yea lothars is nice but it doesn't give a hp bonus)

 

[Dream_Walker]

yea kinda pointless to get SY when she already has frost arrows. i've always had trouble on which items to get when i need more hp on her, skaldi is overdoing it, so i always go linkins but i was wondering if something was better (yea lothars is nice but it doesn't give a hp bonus)

Come to think of it, Linkens would be quite nice on her.

 

[ChrisH36]

yea kinda pointless to get SY when she already has frost arrows. i've always had trouble on which items to get when i need more hp on her, skaldi is overdoing it, so i always go linkins but i was wondering if something was better (yea lothars is nice but it doesn't give a hp bonus)

Why get Skadi when you already have cold arrows? The last hero I have gotten skadi on was Jakiro so that his agility isn't poor. Managed to get a high score that game, but then the game crashed .

 

[XDxxTX]

Ok thanks guys and yeah i just realised on a game today that the cold arrows do work until a maim kicks in

 

[ChrisH36]

Any arrow effect will still overwrite, as long as the cooldown period is working its magic. Otherwise, it will overwrite. You have to be careful when you do these things.

 

[Renzokuken]

Played a LAN last night, 3v3. I went Veno and got Travel/Linkens/Buriza/Heart/Lothars/Butterfly. I reckon that's the best item setup for Veno.

And damn! It's *SO* hard to kill Axe if your Veno.

 

[ChrisH36]

The problem with Axe is that he is a strength hero that thrives on making you fight. His first skill drags you towards him, his second skill forces you to kill something or take heavy damage, his 3rd skill is a counter if you try to fight him close. His ultimate will kill you if your HP is too low.

Early game he can rape with his 2nd skill. Later, his second skill is useless and he is more recommended for his 1st/3rd skill combo to a point where the enemy has low hp for the ultimate to pull off a seccessful kill.

 

[micro.micro]

ax is a mean tank if you get 3 stout shields on him + a ring of health. he can tank creeps till gg. get 4 stouts if you want then sell one off later and turn another stout into an ageis to improve the TANKING POWA. cuz ax isn't a very prominent late game hero.

 

[ChrisH36]

As I said, his second skill is too weak to help you later and you need attack damages to improve your hopes of killing something later. Which is why I go for Lycan , cause later I can still use the wolves and his wolf form to take down opposition.

So yea Renzo, worry bout Axe earlier then fry his ass later in the game when his skills are miniscule.

 

[Dream_Walker]

Or get Manta on Axe and have his images Counter Helix. Then you can use Zerk Call and have the images burn mana hahaha.

 

[micro.micro]

played an awesome 2v2. pretty balanced omni and BH against axe and lion.

my ally was feeding a bit but it couldn't be helped with him being chased all the time by omniknight.

3 stouts ftw! i turned each one into an ageis and got 2 hearts and BoT. i ended up using all of the charges and finally took out their base simply because i couldn't be dmged

 

[XDxxTX]

Mate i got so pissed off in this game, there was like this pro as pudge and he was just pawning the whole team just going loner and then using that hook move and drawing you so your by yourself then he would just like rot and shit till u dead and then just run and like we only killed him like 3 times and all in a gank that ass. Hey dude thats a long replay watching it now