The DotA Thread! [Basic Strats and Hero/Item talk]

[micro.micro]

i've gone plenty of games on naga with a kill score of 15-0 using SY. i think you're underestimating SY on her by a lot, but w/e i'll retry the manta build on naga when i draw her in a AP/AR game when i can.

 

[ChrisH36]

He is just a little cranky that mostly every strength and agility hero he has seen mostly gets S/Y.

 

[Dream_Walker]

He is just a little cranky that mostly every strength and agility hero he has seen mostly gets S/Y.

Yes, it is rediculous. I have even seen a LUNA with Moon Glaive get it. o_o!


@micro.micro: Yah i am a little agressive towards you, hope its still <3 :O

 

[ChrisH36]

I wouldn't get it on Luna or an arrow user. Either you would get MKB, Buriza or shit like that. If you need hit points, then just get a soul booster. Its like that one game of Footies with me and Marc, he randomed PTOM but he also collected a mask of death. He had to end up manually casting Searing Arrow to burn targets.

 

[XDxxTX]

LOL! go the argument! i gotta get back to ladder games getting to addicted to dota LOL!

 

[micro.micro]

I wouldn't get it on Luna or an arrow user. Either you would get MKB, Buriza or shit like that. If you need hit points, then just get a soul booster. Its like that one game of Footies with me and Marc, he randomed PTOM but he also collected a mask of death. He had to end up manually casting Searing Arrow to burn targets.

LOL the reason u don't get it on luna like dreamwalker said is because it makes her attack malfunction. i was dumb enough to make this mistake when i was first starting. i was like "WTF!!!!!" i ended up trading my SY for a soul booster to make a scepter. i don't understand why lifesteal will work on her but not SY... it doesn't really change her attack like lifesteal -.- so unfair.

 

[ChrisH36]

Orb effects overwrite Missile Bounce moves. It was done like that to avoid crap like -5 armor (desolator) across 5 targets for imba reasons. Blizzard finally thought of something smart when they programmed that. If you know how to hack code.

 

[Renzokuken]

Wow this thread got long

I wouldn't call myself a newb at DotA anymore. Right now i'm into Tiny (favourite) and Earthshaker.

With Tiny i get 2 hypers, 2 bashers, travel... and last item depends on how i feel, could be S&Y/Battle Fury/Radiance/Heart/BKB(Avatar + Bloodlust looks effing awesome, i only get BKB for fun though ) or anything else, guess it depends on the MU.

What do you reckon is good with Earthshaker? I was playing an -ar -dm and i died and got him late in the game, i had travel, S&Y and guinsoo at that time. Fun to spam spells with him, he can really deal some damage.

 

[Dream_Walker]

Wow this thread got long

I wouldn't call myself a newb at DotA anymore. Right now i'm into Tiny (favourite) and Earthshaker.

With Tiny i get 2 hypers, 2 bashers, travel... and last item depends on how i feel, could be S&Y/Battle Fury/Radiance/Heart/BKB(Avatar + Bloodlust looks effing awesome, i only get BKB for fun though ) or anything else, guess it depends on the MU.

What do you reckon is good with Earthshaker? I was playing an -ar -dm and i died and got him late in the game, i had travel, S&Y and guinsoo at that time. Fun to spam spells with him, he can really deal some damage.

LOL RENZO!

I recommend getting Guinsoos/Battlefury with Earthshaker, and most definitely a Blink Dagger!

 

[Renzokuken]

Is a blink dagger worth it? I've never ever bought it I guess it'd be good with Fissure, because if you use it at max range, takes a while to get to them, and by that time stun is long over and they've run off.

What's the cooldown on the dagger? And does it cost mana to use it?

Seriously though, Tiny gets effing huge if you bloodlust + avatar him. He'll crack your monitor he gets so big!

 

[Dream_Walker]

Blink Dagger is 90 mana, and you go like this on Earthshaker:

Blink in -> Echo Slam -> Enchant Totem -> Smack -> Fissure -> Chase2kill

Make sure you're next to a hero so he gets Aftershocked.

 

[ChrisH36]

Which is why Blink Dagger is required. So Aftershick works.

 

[micro.micro]

he works just fine w/o the blink. if you get boots of travel on him + sy he can chase very easily without the boots. i only get BF on earthshaker for the cool graphic like leva

after SY i usually don't get intel items but guinsoo is a good choice anyway (late game mana isn't an issue if u just go for BF.)

i've never tried getting a heart on him thou, probably might work. if i got santanic, would the dmg increase from enchant totem add on to the leech? cuz that would be like + 100 life from one hit ....

 

[Dream_Walker]

he works just fine w/o the blink. if you get boots of travel on him + sy he can chase very easily without the boots. i only get BF on earthshaker for the cool graphic like leva

after SY i usually don't get intel items but guinsoo is a good choice anyway (late game mana isn't an issue if u just go for BF.)

i've never tried getting a heart on him thou, probably might work. if i got santanic, would the dmg increase from enchant totem add on to the leech? cuz that would be like + 100 life from one hit ....

What heroes do you not get S&Y on? Besides Int. :loopy

 

[micro.micro]

man SY is just 1337. it is my mini skaldi for melee heroes. i don't get SY on range heroes like clinkz ect...

melee wise, i don't get a SY on a lot of heroes like ursa, bloodseeker, pudge, tiny, and charmander.

 

[XDxxTX]

LOL i would say you have like recomended SY on like all teh heros! LOL! question: Do you rather melee or ranged ? why ?

 

[ChrisH36]

SY on all the heroes? Ok, with it you cannot use Searing Arrows on Clinkz, Frost arrows on Traxex, the explosion move on Sand King, double hit on Neurbian Weaver.

 

[Renzokuken]

Blink Dagger is 90 mana, and you go like this on Earthshaker:

Blink in -> Echo Slam -> Enchant Totem -> Smack -> Fissure -> Chase2kill

Make sure you're next to a hero so he gets Aftershocked.

Wow, Guinsoo's is about 10 times more appropriate with aftershock, totally forgot about it haha! Now, would blinking in would made the aftershock hit where i blink in? Or where i blinked from?

Also, i only use Echo Slam when im around a heap of creeps, otherwise it'll only do like 300 damage. The echo damage gets huge when you're around alot of creeps/heroes.

So i'd go... blink > enchant > hit > fissure > chase > fissure > blink > chase > dead.

That's assuming the cooldown on the blink dagger isn't super long.

Oh, and i only get S&Y for the attack speed and movement speed increase, that way i don't need treads. Earthshakers move speed gets up to 417 with travel and S&Y i think.

 

[Dream_Walker]

Or get a Buriza on him and watch enemies cry when you get a Critical Strike combined with Enchant Totem...

 

[micro.micro]

hmmm really interesting... i'm not sure if blink dagger counts as a spell that triggers aftershock but i've gotten it on him b4 and i'd say it prob doesnt....

but yea the cooldown on blink is too long to be used 2x in a battle with someone, so you chase just count on having one blink unlesss you plan to cover half the map.

hmmmm.... i've never really been sure which item is better to get.. buriza or MKB.. ahhh!!! i always go mkb on practically every hero instead of buriza like sand king <3. i think you get a good bonus for the amount of money you spend.

crystalis = 2850
deamon edge = 2600
buriza recipie = 900
total = 6350
for:
20% chance of crit 2.2x
+75 dmg

now for mkb.
quarter staff= 1150
deamon edge = 2600
recipie = 1650
total = 5400 (950 cheaper)
for:
15% increased attk
+75 dmg
30% chance to do 90 dmg + break channel

well my reasoning was that with quarter staff + DE = 46 dmg and the recipie adds on another 29 dmg, a mithril hammer costs 1610 and gives 24 dmg so you're already getting a good deal damage wise but not only that but you ALSO get a chance to break channels and do a pretty decent bonus. while crystal + deamon edge already gives 71 dmg so you're paying 900 (750 cheaper recipie wise) for an extra 4 dmg, a .4 increase in crit, and a +10% chance to crit (this is the ONLY reason i even upgrade my crystalis) .

i just mentally do the math with low dmg heroes, so i'd say hero A does 100 dmg by the time i get my mkb (faster than buriza) so i can do a total of 190 dmg if the buriza goes off, but if i wait and get my buriza, then my chance of doing extra dmg is reduced so if hero A still did 100 dmg then the buriza would make it 220. now it is a 30 dmg diff for a 1 k cost increase. i think that the extra + 90 dmg that would go off from mkb would make up AND in the end do more dmg than a buriza.

yea as you get more dmg the hero will benifit more from a buriza but for a hero like earth shaker w/ SY i think a mkb would benifit him more for the sake of an increased chance of landing maim. mkb just seems more appealing to me for the sake of IAS + increased %.

oh yea btw, on a side note: does each of luna's bounces have a chance to land the +90 dmg when she uses an MKB? i've always wondered it but whenever i get mkb on her i can't really tell if it is happening.