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Well thast good to know but this guy was getting us on lvl 5 he would run onto our side of the river around by the shop and use his hook thing then kill us teh bastard i was getting so annoyed !!! . Oh and a comment i dont know what u want us to comment about but i HATE tiny i think hes a cheap hero to use cause of his dmg but then ive been told hes very hard to use, but that aint changing my opinion i still think he is very cheap !! i mean base dmg is like in the 200's around like lvl 15 i mean WTF !!

micro in the replay didnt you have 2 aegis ???
 

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Thats nothing, one of my friends after a really long game had a pudge that had like 300+ str!! Now, I don't know what is going to stop that.
 

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Hellwolf_36 said:
Thats nothing, one of my friends after a really long game had a pudge that had like 300+ str!! Now, I don't know what is going to stop that.
Get him to < 50% life and have Necrolyte use Reaper's Scythe.
 

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Dream_Walker said:
Get him to < 50% life and have Necrolyte use Reaper's Scythe.
Unfortunately, when you have 300 strength, the health regeneration rate is probably so stupid you need all the Slayer's spells just to bring it down to 50% and the Necrolyte needs to be very quick to Reaper's Scythe it. Not to mention if it takes too long to arrive, it will recover most of that. :( 100 strength boosts health regeneration by about 3 health/second, I think. And it's not funny with Aegis of the Immortal, either.*
 

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x42bn6 said:
Unfortunately, when you have 300 strength, the health regeneration rate is probably so stupid you need all the Slayer's spells just to bring it down to 50% and the Necrolyte needs to be very quick to Reaper's Scythe it. Not to mention if it takes too long to arrive, it will recover most of that. :( 100 strength boosts health regeneration by about 3 health/second, I think. And it's not funny with Aegis of the Immortal, either.*
Necrolyte with Aghanims/Refresher - get below 75% life and die. To get that, get a Slayer with Aghanims/Refresher and double Laguna him. About 2150 or so damage right there.

Then again, Sunder always works.
 

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OK i wont complain anymore about a pudge with 300+ strength compared to that mines nothin LOL!.
 

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XDxxTX said:
OK i wont complain anymore about a pudge with 300+ strength compared to that mines nothin LOL!.
The chances of them both getting Aghanims and Refresher and having Lina double Laguna and then Rotund'jere using Reaper's Scythe BOTH times in a battle on the SAME target is slim to none.
 

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Ok didnt get nothin u just said there as i havent had a chance to play with everyone yet so therefore i dont know everyones moves :p , but is this a alright combo for SA power treads, SY, butterfly, cranium basherx2 ? wel thats what i had in a game and i was pawning i was like maim then bash bash maim it was like so kool they like couldnt get away :D now your probly gonna say no basher aint good cause it takes off maim :p
 

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Basher isnt orb effect, so it will still take effect even when maim is being used or activated. I know this because on my Lycan I had 2 bashers and a S/Y, managed to get 7/0.
 

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Dream_Walker said:
Necrolyte with Aghanims/Refresher - get below 75% life and die. To get that, get a Slayer with Aghanims/Refresher and double Laguna him. About 2150 or so damage right there.

Then again, Sunder always works.
Well, imagine if there was no Necrolyte on the other team...*
 

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x42bn6 said:
Well, imagine if there was no Necrolyte on the other team...*
Well I'm hoping that a Pudge with 300 str would win anyways, and the game should've been over before then.
 

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Unless it is one of those 1 hr+ dota games. The guys at the cove and I have had games go on for 100+ minutes.
 

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I hate thsoe games they go on forever and people jsut end up getin the most craziest dmg
 

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XDxxTX said:
I hate thsoe games they go on forever and people jsut end up getin the most craziest dmg
But sometimes, those are the best games.
 

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XDxxTX said:
Well thast good to know but this guy was getting us on lvl 5 he would run onto our side of the river around by the shop and use his hook thing then kill us teh bastard i was getting so annoyed !!! . Oh and a comment i dont know what u want us to comment about but i HATE tiny i think hes a cheap hero to use cause of his dmg but then ive been told hes very hard to use, but that aint changing my opinion i still think he is very cheap !! i mean base dmg is like in the 200's around like lvl 15 i mean WTF !!

micro in the replay didnt you have 2 aegis ???
Ok, let me tell you about Tiny... he is a very hard hero to play.

Cons
  • He has so little agility that his armor is terrible. It's around 2-5 regardless of level.
  • His ultimate is passive, he grows and gains alot of base attack damage but his attack speed becomes so incredibly slow that you need to beef him up with dual hyperstones to get him to a respectable attack speed.
  • He has one stun. Other than that, he chases heros. But he can deal *ALOT* of damage very quickly, if you know what your doing.

He can have very many different types of builds based around...
  • Lothars Edge (A hidden Tiny, is an adept Tiny)
  • Armor (Aegis)
  • Bash
  • Slow (Skadi)
  • Huge attack damage (Radiance/Buriza)
  • Lifesteal (Satanic. Tiny does so much damage, it's worth it :))

I wouldn't recommend a basher Tiny. Only because, even with two hyperstones, his attack speed isn't insanely good and anytime someone sees Tiny charge in...they run. So you'll be lucky to get a few bash hits in, i didn't have much luck, even with two bashers.

Most of those builds are pretty end game. Only because Tiny *NEEDS* Travel and dual hypers regardless of any build. And that's already 7600 gold. I generally get those around Lv16, which is already a while into the game. And most other items that really beef tiny up, are Lv4 shop recipes. So it's kinda hard.
You could always skip a Hyper and go from there. But trust me, you will want two hypers...

-EDIT---> Tiny is my favourite DotA hero btw.
 

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Maybe so, but Tiny still has his pluses. My favorite hero is Lycan at the moment because he was one of the few str heroes I mastered after about playing twice with him. Its all about the Hyperstones to counteract his slow attacks. Or you can severly increase your damage by adding damage + items so you can inflict more pain.
 

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uhh in the replay i had 3 ageises i got 1 at a time :\

tiny with bashers? why?!?! you might as well get a heart or something instead of a basher because his attk speed isn't very good... a blink dagger would be a better item than a basher,,,
 

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Agreed, bashers are for the heroes that have the attacks to cause the bash. If you want damage, just get stygian desolator or something.
 

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