FoxWar
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Why are we here?
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Why do we have to understand everything and why does the Universe have to have a beginning or an end?
Not everything we do is pre-planned by God, he gave us free will. While I am against abortions, God gave us free choice. It's our choice to acknowledge him or to deny his existence. Just as it is with abortions. I'll let Lights post all of his/her stuff on this.
Cobalt....the book is about Christianity as a worldview. It breaks it down into The Creations, The fall of Man, and the Rebuilding. I particularly like the part on when it details that no Utopia has worked because they don't acknowledge god. It is impossible for that society to sustain itself because it has no high being to look to. Very interesting read.
I was re-reading the book the other night, and It brings up an interesting point. No animal has ever evolved from one species to another. Sure, animals have adapted to remain that species. For instance...a moth changing colors is adaptation to remain as that species and not die out. So now that that's said, it's hard to believe that we evolved not just species to species, but from 1 cell to what we are now.
Also, many scientists have tried to "create life" as it would have happened millions and billions of years ago. Everytime they do the expirement though, they always have to have a spark to trigger the event. Not necessarily a spark, just some form of energy to get the expirement started. After this happens, they get organic molecules and claim that this is how life could have been formed. If anyone has read these, consider what that spark could have been? That expirement doesn't show that life can happen naturally, it shows that life can make life.
I think that's about all I'll ramble on for now.
Cobalt....the book is about Christianity as a worldview. It breaks it down into The Creations, The fall of Man, and the Rebuilding. I particularly like the part on when it details that no Utopia has worked because they don't acknowledge god. It is impossible for that society to sustain itself because it has no high being to look to. Very interesting read.
I was re-reading the book the other night, and It brings up an interesting point. No animal has ever evolved from one species to another. Sure, animals have adapted to remain that species. For instance...a moth changing colors is adaptation to remain as that species and not die out. So now that that's said, it's hard to believe that we evolved not just species to species, but from 1 cell to what we are now.
Also, many scientists have tried to "create life" as it would have happened millions and billions of years ago. Everytime they do the expirement though, they always have to have a spark to trigger the event. Not necessarily a spark, just some form of energy to get the expirement started. After this happens, they get organic molecules and claim that this is how life could have been formed. If anyone has read these, consider what that spark could have been? That expirement doesn't show that life can happen naturally, it shows that life can make life.
I think that's about all I'll ramble on for now.
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No Dust601, I never said that believers are the only
good people. There are good people in this world but
just 'being good' won't get you into heaven.
We have our free choice, to live our life the way we want
(to be successful in our own eyes) or to sacrifice ourselves
(put aside our own selfish ways and to ask God to come
into our hearts and do with our life what he had planned
out for us). Not everyone does what God wants for them
so that kicks the theory of our whole lives being planned
out right in the bum.
It's very difficult explaining some of this stuff because you
really have to listen to people talk and you really have to
read and get involved and what I have been taught is that
God plans your birth and your death and the events that
happen in your life but you choose what kind of person
you are. If a tree falls on your house you can either choose
to be bitter about it because God ruined your everything
in that house that you worked hard for or you can say
"Wow, I'm glad I wasn't in that house." and go on with
your life - there may have been a reason why that tree
fell on your house.
Sometimes really good things will happen in our lives and
sometimes really bad things will happen in our lives and
you ask God why he lets the bad things happen. It's not
always that he is trying to teach you a lesson which is
usually to keep your feet planned on the ground because
you are starting to think that you are better than other
people. You have to keep in mind that the world can't
possibly evolve around everyone in it but everyone in the
world is just as special as the other. People die because
of the choices of others - that is free will. God doesn't want
anyone to die. He would rather we all live but this can't
happen because of well, the whole Adam and Eve incidence.
And you know what, if you don't believe in God, the story of
Adam and Eve would still be a good story for your children
to give them an example of choice and consequence lol.
Ciphus, I will be getting that book when I get a chance.
good people. There are good people in this world but
just 'being good' won't get you into heaven.
We have our free choice, to live our life the way we want
(to be successful in our own eyes) or to sacrifice ourselves
(put aside our own selfish ways and to ask God to come
into our hearts and do with our life what he had planned
out for us). Not everyone does what God wants for them
so that kicks the theory of our whole lives being planned
out right in the bum.
It's very difficult explaining some of this stuff because you
really have to listen to people talk and you really have to
read and get involved and what I have been taught is that
God plans your birth and your death and the events that
happen in your life but you choose what kind of person
you are. If a tree falls on your house you can either choose
to be bitter about it because God ruined your everything
in that house that you worked hard for or you can say
"Wow, I'm glad I wasn't in that house." and go on with
your life - there may have been a reason why that tree
fell on your house.
Sometimes really good things will happen in our lives and
sometimes really bad things will happen in our lives and
you ask God why he lets the bad things happen. It's not
always that he is trying to teach you a lesson which is
usually to keep your feet planned on the ground because
you are starting to think that you are better than other
people. You have to keep in mind that the world can't
possibly evolve around everyone in it but everyone in the
world is just as special as the other. People die because
of the choices of others - that is free will. God doesn't want
anyone to die. He would rather we all live but this can't
happen because of well, the whole Adam and Eve incidence.
And you know what, if you don't believe in God, the story of
Adam and Eve would still be a good story for your children
to give them an example of choice and consequence lol.
Ciphus, I will be getting that book when I get a chance.
raDixGhost
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I guess the only religion alive now is Christianity huh? I guess they are the only way that explained the unexplainable.
Aeris22
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Im not saying that religon is bad or god is a bad thing but for our death and birth already to be preset by some higher power is to much for me, now i myself used to be a christian and beleived in the whole idea of god creating all but as life went to pot and i saw where my life was heading i lost faith, some may consider my greatest downfall and others my greatest defeat either way, and if religon was still pure from politics and conflict the world as a whole would be a much better place
ORC-r0x0r-ROC
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Our lives used to depend on religion, that is not so anymore, we aren't dependant on unproven, unfounded flawed faith and religion. If God existed then it could be proven by science, science is the best and only way of explaining things rationally. 'Jesus christ' the whole christianity theory is completely ridiculous and stupid.
Black Cat
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Sometimes, I think we depend too much on science. Nearly everything we do in our whole lives is either science based or has someway to relate to science, I am not saying science in a whole is a bad thing but sometimes we can depend a little too much on science. Some people could say 'science could be a religion. It wasnt that long of a time ago when we depended on religion like we do with science, the law was based on relgion in a way ten commandments and the punishments for crimes were taken and the evidence as a religion but now we use science for evidence i guess this 'faith' depends on evolution.. well thats my opinion
Aeris22
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The problem with this argument we have here is that niether side can prove its point, both lack the power to be able to complety get rid of the others side of the argument, and so this fight between science and religon will probaly go on in my mind forever
ORC-r0x0r-ROC
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How can science disprove something that doesn't exist, theres a giant invisble chicken in space that doesn't need oxygen I bet they can't disprove that....
Urm black cat, tell me what we should depend on, hearsay??
Name a situation where "depending on science" is a bad thing.
Science is nothing like blind unfounded faith, if there is a battle between bullshit and science, science is winning.
Urm black cat, tell me what we should depend on, hearsay??
Name a situation where "depending on science" is a bad thing.
Science is nothing like blind unfounded faith, if there is a battle between bullshit and science, science is winning.
Black Cat
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r0x0r how about the connection between to people, which you could call love!
ORC-r0x0r-ROC
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Its all hormones mate, so what was that a reply to?
Black Cat
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Name a situation where "depending on science" is a bad thing?
Can you ever say, and speak from exsperiance, the difference between a good looking girl/boy and the person who you love that aint hormones mate.
Can you ever say, and speak from exsperiance, the difference between a good looking girl/boy and the person who you love that aint hormones mate.
ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Like my cute wabbit?
Believe me it is, thats why you, at a certain age really gets interested in girls. Why don't People raised together sisters and brothers ect? Well, its a natural way of avoiding genetic ill-effects of incest. Part of the "rush" of falling for a stranger is self-expansion as the other's best traits are incorporated into oneself.
There isn't really much to love I mean you select the person who will make your children strong and healthy, thats why you generally like attractive people. You can chose someone because of social aspects, but the reason you are attracted to girls is because of the natural instint to reproduce m8.
There isn't really much to love I mean you select the person who will make your children strong and healthy, thats why you generally like attractive people. You can chose someone because of social aspects, but the reason you are attracted to girls is because of the natural instint to reproduce m8.
Black Cat
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When boys and girls are sister and brother the fight ect but boys and boys fight thats not saying avoiding genetic ill-effects of incest is it. And you do not select a person really i wouldnt use the word select its more like destend and if 'love' is just hormones then why are we not falling for EVERY girl or boy we meet, You will know many attractive people but you will not be in love with all of them. People could have the best humour in the world and could make you laugh your head off but if they were the uglyiest person you have ever seen in your opinion you would not marry them, sociel aspects are a part but still not all based on them. and attraction is not love!
ORC-r0x0r-ROC
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Its best explained by pschology, love, but gerneral attraction = science. science remains the best way of explaining things, pschology seems like sub-directory of science. Even if that is not so, pschology plays a smaller part than science.
Black Cat
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true true. . . .
dust601
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I like science, i like knowing the facts behind why things happen the way they do, i don't like relying on "belief".
Kuzmich
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Re: Re: Why are we here?
No its not the only religion alive. There are many other religions, Christianity isnt even the most popular religion in the world, more people are Muslim. And its not the only way, didnt i tell you what i think in my first reply in this thread?
I want someone here to prove, scientifically and beyond resonable doubt, that we evolved from single celled organisms. It's the THEORY of Evolution, just as it is Creation. It can NOT be proved by using science no matter how hard you try. Thus the debate will go on forever. As I said earlier, since recorded history no species has ever evolved from one species to another. Now we are supposed to believe I am from a single celled organism?
By believe that the theory of evolution is true, you are actually just putting faith in that. You are believing in something that cannot be proved.
By believe that the theory of evolution is true, you are actually just putting faith in that. You are believing in something that cannot be proved.
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