Why are we here?

[Kuzmich]

To those of you who trust in God or dont trust in God this thread is for everyone. I finally want to see some disscussion done between christians and atheists. I think that we are here by the stroke of luck, just a councedence, that happened in nature. What do you think?

 

[Arkillo]

Quite honestly? I have no idea. I'm open to the thought of someone creating us, as long as I see proof. I won't shun it out, but until then, I'm not gonna belive it.

On the topic: I really don't know. I've always wondered it, and it's boggled my mind for a while now. I don't suppose we just poped into existace, but who knows. It's just one of those things that NO ONE will ever be able to actually answer. Until time travel....

 

[Ntrik_]

i had a thread about this... and i really wanna know about it...

I think we are here... because we are jus another part of earth and its environment? (doesnt believe in god).

 

[c9h13no3]

It's different for everyone, you'll get just as many responses, and they'll all be equally probable///right. Doesn't really cause debate, but it's the truth. Sorry.

 

[Cobalt Wolf]

Otmorosok:
"I think that we are here by the stroke of luck,
just a councedence, that happened in nature."

Thinking that way is only going to leave you
clueless and empty and feeling without hope.
I recommend that you read the book,
A Purpose-Driven Life.

Actually, I recommend that everyone in this thread read it.
I'm only on Day 4 but it has already answered some of my
questions right-off.​

 

[Aeris22]

I agree with Otmorosok and his idea that we are just lucky that everything fell right into place and humans and any life came into being, and I can't accept the fact that only some higher being chose to create everything and never tell any one

BTW if you havn't noticed im agnostic

 

[FoxWar]

Its all science, particals building up, ect

But really no proof thats my opinion

 

[Kuzmich]

FoxWar i think you are a decendant of Faire, you too reply with only few lines, strange but true. We got to get some Christians in here, if everyone agrees then there is no disccussion.

 

[Cobalt Wolf]

Well I'm no Christian but I believe that God exists.
If you want a discussion, bring on the arguements.
Bring it ooonn!!​

 

[Ciphus]

Cobalt...I recommend you read "How Now Shall We Live" if this interests you.

Anyhow, I believe that God DID create us. If he didn't, then that puts us on the same level as any other animal. There is no hope for us, nothing to strive for. I believe that God did create us for a purpose, other than his love. What that purpose is is left for us to discover.

On a different note, I just heard something cool. It's about the Big Bang Theory. The "Law of Conservation of Matter" state that mass cannot be created nor destroyed. Well if that's the case, then it couldn't have happened naturally. There had to be a creator. Just something to kick around.

To those who think we are just a product of nature, bring up some main points on why you think so. We can really get going then. How do you figure we just evolved from nothingness (just a group of gases or whatever in space) to what we are now?

 

[dust601]

I think we just evovled and got lucky.
How do i figure we just evolved from nothingness?
the same way everything evovles. You stop a straine of disease it evolves and changes. everything changes nothing is concret. I'd be open to someone creating us if there was any shred of proof, till then i'll go on bealive we got lucky.

and bealiving the way i do, i can live freely and peacefully and strive to amuse myself all i can in this lifetime instead of living up to others standards and constantly worrying, does bealiving like this strain my mind sometimes and make me feel kinda bad? sure, but i feel bealiving in somthing i have no proof in would be worse for me then not bealiving.

 

[dP]

i know why were here (raises voice) WHY WERE HERE IS SO GOD COULD MAKE US SLAVES OF HIMA ND WORSHIP HIM

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

On a different note, I just heard something cool. It's about the Big Bang Theory. The "Law of Conservation of Matter" state that mass cannot be created nor destroyed. Well if that's the case, then it couldn't have happened naturally. There had to be a creator. Just something to kick around.

Well, if you knew a bit more you wouldn't say this(contradiction if your a christian or believer of god), but your pretty well on track. Christians believe that God has always been there its the same with matter it never got created in the first place just like how you believe your god didn't.

I believe in science, I've read all about the big bang theory, antimatter explosions, suns evovling from nebulars ect. The proof we have? Its all still happening today, we can study the universe and figure how it was created, or a very good guess.

believing in God is blind belief, believing in science isn't

 

[Cobalt Wolf]

Ciphus, I haven't read that book yet. Thanks for recommending
it to me. This book is pretty much talking about the two types of
Christians - the ones who isolate themselves from the rest of the
world because of all the sin and the ones who interact with the
world but choose not to behave the way non-believers do
- am I right?

Dust601, seems to me that believing that we were all just
created by chance is as far-fetched as there being a creator
probably seems to you. You could say that but like I said
earlier, you have absolutely no proof.

Also, would it be so wrong to believe in something that made
you want to become a better person? Just think - what if no one
in the world cared? What if no one was in control of themself
because they didn't think it mattered - that we would all
eventually die one day and that there were no
consequences for our actions.

DEAD_PeASENT2, we are here because we were created out of
love. Think of it like this - our parents created us because they
wanted a child to love and God had us planned out to be created
by our parents. And even if our parents didn't plan for us to exist -
God did. No one is an accident. God has a plan for everyone.

Unfortunately, God also gave us free will so that we would love
him by our own choice instead of being like robots. It's kind of
like having friends, you would rather they like you for who you
are and through their own choice instead of liking you for
something you do for them or because you pay them to
like you or something.

Can I getta Amen? ​

 

[Cobalt Wolf]

Sorry if I'm double-posting - someone else just might beat me to
posting next. I want to comment on what ORC-r0x0r-ROC said.

Ok first of all, let's say that the "Big Bang" theory was correct.
What made all this happen? Could it possibly be by the hand of..
dare I say?.. God?

Does the "Big Bang" theory say that all this happened by
chance or is it simply stating how all this happened?
Sorry it's been a while since I was last in high school and
I can't find any info stating whether it was by chance or
that it 'just happened' and that the reason to why all this
happened is still unknown.

Ok, second - science is flawed so don't get me started.
Science is man trying to understand the universe when
man can't even understand himself.​

 

[RoaCh of DisCord]

Science may be flawed...sometimes...

...but it's a hell of a lot more logical than the thought of us being created by some magical being floating in the heavens above...

You can also ask what created the big bang, but we all know no one can answer that. You could say god did, and I could say who created god?

 

[Cobalt Wolf]

Rofl, I was looking around the forums and saw your name and
was thinking to myself "o gosh.. let's see what he has to say"



Why do we have to understand everything and why does
God have to have a beginning or an end? Because we say so?
Because our brains would explode/implode if the world
was ending and we STILL didn't know the answer?

OMG!!! MY EGO!!​

 

[dust601]

I read your response to mine and it seems like your saying only realigious people can be good people colbalt?
I may not bealive in some god, but i very much bealive in never hurting a fellow person and living my life to my moral standards.

And i donno to me things just happening naturaly seems a whole lot more logical then as roach said "being created by some magical being floating in the heavens above... "
But there really is not 100 percent proof either way at the moment it's a question only to be awsnered by time.

 

[Aeris22]

Cobalt you say that "god" put us all here to do something well that idea has its flaws as well, what about children that die during child birth and abortion, but then that raises the question did god already chose for them to die that way, BUT if that is the case then why even fight the whole process to begin with,

What im getting at is its just to easy to beleive that everything we do is preplanned by god because then the whole idea behind free choice is the biggest scam of the cosmoso

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by Aeris22
Cobalt you say that "god" put us all here to do something well that idea has its flaws as well, what about children that die during child birth and abortion, but then that raises the question did god already chose for them to die that way, BUT if that is the case then why even fight the whole process to begin with,

What im getting at is its just to easy to beleive that everything we do is preplanned by god because then the whole idea behind free choice is the biggest scam of the cosmoso

Wow, this is the very problem that I am going through with Christianity. I am planning on posting a full report of what I have found about predestination and hopefully have some good conversation about it.