Guru
Premium Member
Originally posted by Otmorosok
Okay first dont invloe RF in it this is just stupid. Second you want facts here are the facts: according to US time magazine 53% of Americans don't like Bush, according to your defention of patriotism 53% of Americans are not patriots, they don't like their leader. Ever heard of Anti-Bush organizations? Well according to your defenition of a traitor all Americans who are involved in them are traitors. So who is more patriotic?
First off, as I said before, disliking something does not make you a traitor. So once again, your wrong.
Moreover, what does American patriotism have anything to do with anything? Stop going off topic, kid.
I don't see any anti-Putin organizations. Now about the freedom of speech, there is a TV station in Russia and it is called in your language ITV(independent television), it was not government owned and basically all it did was flame our government on every step, some times i agreed with them but some times they just seemed stupid. So you know what Putin did, he forced the owner of the Chanel to escape to England and later captured him and put him into prison, and he confiscated ITV and now it is a government owned station. So you see although there is a law, even our government that passed that law disregards it, they agree with me i hope this is enough facts for you.
Firstly, I would like to see a link with an indetail discription.
Secondly, disregarding something does not me they disagree with it. So, once again, you're wrong.
As for the no anti-Putin organizations, if I don't recall, you have said all Russians hate there government but not the land. So either way, you're a lier.
I don't care what you and Amrtin77 thinks, if i ever meet you than we talk "face to face" but if i don't then i still have a good life, freinds and my motherland. To understand the Russian idea about motherland you should read Pushkin or even better Esenin they were the once who put the idea of motherland that has always been with my people on paper and explained it. Oh yeah, i still don't see the forum adress so now i know for sure that you have no Russian freinds exept for maybe that exchange student,
I will hold the thoughts of Russians citizens in higher regard than Pushkin and Esenin.
And, what shocks me is how you seem to get dumber and dumber. I have said it over and over, there is no Russian forum address! Get it through your head dumbass. I never said there was. I said I have ran into Russians, just like yourself (cept not as stupid), in chatrooms, games, et cetra.
that means that you judjed the nation according to the saying of one man, and that insures you of not making the right conclusions about the country. According to that i my self can not conclude that all Americans are idiots just because you are, i have American freinds and they are good people so you are dumb not because of your genes but because you just are. And if you look at the flamings then you can see that yours are no more mature then mine. And armtin it is well said indeed, i don't agree with you but at least you stay calm and don't make stupid arguments like Guru, now you are an example of a smart American. Even if my government is sending me to war, but i am not gonna fight for a bunch of fat people, i am going to fight for the idea, for my family, for my land, for my people. Those Russians who died in WW2 didn't die thinking about saving Stalin's fat ass they died thinking that they are protecting their motherland.
The Russians who died in WW2 died because of stupidity. Not nationalism.
I judge your nation based on the opinions of many Russians, the stupidity of you, the facts, the news, their history - not one man.
I'm sure calling me an idiot makes you feel like a big boy, but lets not forget the fact that I did win both the arguements, so, I guess if I were an idiot, you've gotta have some sort of mental disease.
And just for the record,
"no one ever won a war dieing for their country, they won by making the other poor bastard die for theirs".
-General Patton
(those probably aren't the exact words, I'm quoting it out of memory)