The mad Russians did it again

[Tipsy]

Not at all, rather it pushes people forward to achieve great things on their own for their country.

If you base your identity on a country, the aggregate of individuals, how does that not take away the focus from the individual? You can't have it both ways.

And military status is just about the first thing that makes anyone great, might makes right and its always been like this, what world do you live in?

If your values are based on the ability to use coercive force on others I think your values are pretty fucked up, but since they are nothing more than a matter of opinions I'll leave this there.

Do you think US would be a superpower without its military?

The US wouldn't be a military superpower without a military, obviously, however being a military superpower is the single biggest threat to the United States being a great nation. There is an inherent centralization of power in the military and an inherent decentralization in freedom - overemphasize the military and put the two in a conflict and you see what's going on in the United States today.

 

[Theroy]

Don't mind me, just postin' some lyrics.

I hope you hang yourself with your H&M scarf

While jacking off listening to Mozart

You !@@@! and moan about L.A.

Wishing you were in the rain reading Hemingway

You don't eat meat and drive electrical cars

You're so indie rock it's almost an art

You need SPF45

Just to stay alive



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys



You're so sad maybe you should buy a happy meal

You're so skinny you should really super size the deal

Secretly you you're so amused

And nobody understands you

I'm so mean cuz cannot get you out of your head

I'm so angry cuz you'd rather my space instead

I can't believe I fell in love

With someone that wears more make up and



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like



Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

La, la, la

La, la, la

Oh, oh, oh

Do, do, do, do, bop, bop, bow

Do, do, do, bop, bop. day

You're so gay, you're so gay



You walking around like you're oh so debonair

You pull them down and there's really nothing there

I wish you would just be real with me



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no, no, no, no, no, no



I hope you hang yourself with your H&M scarf

While jacking off listening to Mozart

You !@@@! and moan about L.A.

Wishing you were in the rain reading Hemingway

You don't eat meat and drive electrical cars

You're so indie rock it's almost an art

You need SPF45

Just to stay alive



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys



You're so sad maybe you should buy a happy meal

You're so skinny you should really super size the deal

Secretly you you're so amused

And nobody understands you

I'm so mean cuz cannot get you out of your head

I'm so angry cuz you'd rather my space instead

I can't believe I fell in love

With someone that wears more make up and



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like



Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

La, la, la

La, la, la

Oh, oh, oh

Do, do, do, do, bop, bop, bow

Do, do, do, bop, bop. day

You're so gay, you're so gay



You walking around like you're oh so debonair

You pull them down and there's really nothing there

I wish you would just be real with me



You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like

You're so gay and you don't even like boys

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no, no, no, no, no, no

 

[concrete_sox]

katy perry sucks

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

If you base your identity on a country, the aggregate of individuals, how does that not take away the focus from the individual? You can't have it both ways.

Eh? And why is taking away the focus from individual for the good of the country a bad thing? And actually you can have it both ways, most people who achieve anything have it both ways, you can't really abandon your personal identity.

If your values are based on the ability to use coercive force on others I think your values are pretty fucked up, but since they are nothing more than a matter of opinions I'll leave this there.

You need to be able to use coercive force on others in order to afford any values, otherwise someone stronger will come in and tell you what your values should be.

The US wouldn't be a military superpower without a military, obviously, however being a military superpower is the single biggest threat to the United States being a great nation. There is an inherent centralization of power in the military and an inherent decentralization in freedom - overemphasize the military and put the two in a conflict and you see what's going on in the United States today.

If not for its military US would not be any type of superpower, hell its still be a damn British colony.

 

[Tipsy]

Eh? And why is taking away the focus from individual for the good of the country a bad thing? And actually you can have it both ways, most people who achieve anything have it both ways, you can't really abandon your personal identity.

It's not the actual collectivism that is bad because the argument can be made pretty simply that it is chosen, it's the social and political arrangements that have always come with it throughout history. You can give someone the power to take away your personal identity, in this case, it's whoever is the figurehead for the blind nationalism.

You need to be able to use coercive force on others in order to afford any values, otherwise someone stronger will come in and tell you what your values should be.

If not for its military US would not be any type of superpower, hell its still be a damn British colony.

All that proves is that you need a small number of impassioned people, it's worked out pretty well in the past, our Revolutionary War, and still works today, see the Middle East. You can choose a system of organization in which the few oppress the many, everyone oppresses everyone, or no one oppresses anyone - the last is a free society.

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

It's not the actual collectivism that is bad because the argument can be made pretty simply that it is chosen, it's the social and political arrangements that have always come with it throughout history. You can give someone the power to take away your personal identity, in this case, it's whoever is the figurehead for the blind nationalism.

Sometimes the idea of a nation exists without a figurehead. For example throughout the 90s and even today many engineers in the Russian defense industry took on other jobs so they could invest their own money into the defense project that the government wasn't able to afford just to keep the industry alive to protect their nation. You're trying to rationalize everything but some things you just can't do it with. I am a Russian, so whatever happens I will always be on the side of my nation, because it is my nation, and I would be a bastard if I did anything different. Then a nation has a long history and many things to be proud of it people living there want to contribute to that nation so that what their ancestors did isn't in vain. So yes then I say WE sent the first man to space I say that we did it as Russians, as a nation and if I become a successful engineer down the line and invent something great then I will have no trouble contributing my accomplishment to my nation.

All that proves is that you need a small number of impassioned people, it's worked out pretty well in the past, our Revolutionary War, and still works today, see the Middle East. You can choose a system of organization in which the few oppress the many, everyone oppresses everyone, or no one oppresses anyone - the last is a free society.

In that case there are no free societies in this world.

 

[Gimmi]

You fail at wit, the Soviet laser isn't a warning light, its like comparing a light bulb to the sun.

And you at analogy.

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

And you at analogy.

Not at all, the Soviet laser can cause skin burns and blindness at 20 feet, your warning light doesn't have enough energy to do that at any distance.

 

[Barney Stinson]

Except if you were 20 feet from the sun you'de be nothing.

 

[concrete_sox]

i would rather shoot someone in the face than blind them with a laser

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

Except if you were 20 feet from the sun you'de be nothing.

Do you understand the meaning of a metaphor? Oh wait, of course you don't.

 

[Wing Zero]

i find it more of allegory/extended metaphor. maybe if you said like light bulb and fire it be a metaphor

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

i find it more of allegory/extended metaphor. maybe if you said like light bulb and fire it be a metaphor

Meh, I don't feel like having a Webster's dictionary fight. The sun and fire don't really differ that much, both can be used as metaphors for something really, really hot. I don't see how this is an allegory at all. I was simply using the sun as the metaphor for the laser pistol and the bulb as a metaphor for the warning light, for a comparison.

 

[concrete_sox]

Andrei Chikatilo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

Andrei Chikatilo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crazy asshole, what about him?

 

[concrete_sox]

russia is awesome

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

russia is awesome

He is Ukrainian, as for your previous post:

i would rather shoot someone in the face than blind them with a laser

Thats only some of our latest and greatest, we've got you covered.

 

[concrete_sox]

the guy is still russian though what is second last gun btw

 

[Wing Zero]

lol guns. bonesaw/ubersaw > guns
also mechs.

 

[concrete_sox]