Just to clear something out

[Kuzmich]

Su-37, ever heard of that, that thing can do something no one else can, it can own f-22 easy, one problem is that we need money to make enough of them.

 

[Guru]

I guess I need to repeat myself.

Here is the official site for the F-22, it guarantees air dominance, and tells why.

http://www.f22-raptor.com/domin.html

This aircraft combines stealth design with the supersonic, highly maneuverable, dual-engine, long-range requirements of an air-to-air fighter, and it also will have an inherent air-to-ground capability, if needed. The F-22’s integrated avionics gives it first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability that will guarantee U.S. air dominance for the next three decades.

Orc, to elaborate on why you can't detect f-22, look here:

http://www.f-22raptor.com/index_stealth.php

Read those websites, and you will see that there is nothing that can match up to the raptor

 

[Kuzmich]

That can bee very easily regarded as US trying to say that their plains are better, then realy its not so. Let me hear a British or Istonian expert speak good things about your plain, before that happens your source is one sided, was not compared with SU-37, and can not be taken in seriously. Oh and it says that F-22 is onyl almost invisible to the radars, then you have 100s of radars every there you look almost doesnt work anymore.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

guru, is f-22 the fighter that can land and takeoff like a helecopter?

 

[Guru]

Originally posted by Otmorosok
That can bee very easily regarded as US trying to say that their plains are better, then realy its not so. Let me hear a British or Istonian expert speak good things about your plain, before that happens your source is one sided, was not compared with SU-37, and can not be taken in seriously. Oh and it says that F-22 is onyl almost invisible to the radars, then you have 100s of radars every there you look almost doesnt work anymore.

Obviously you know nothing about steatlh. It doesnt matter how many radars you have, the f-22 has the signature of a small bird, meaning your not going to be able to see it even if you have radar in every Russia looking for it.

Moreover, you want to compare the F-22 to the SU-37? The raptor is stealth, more engine thrust, better manuverability, more advanced avionics, and did i mention STEALTH. Your MiGs can't see it while it is launching its sidewinder missles at you. The F-22 is superior to it. <Period.

 

[Kuzmich]

Well you do have stealth but we have manuverability, oh and after a couple of succesful attacks by you once we see a bird on a radar we will start sending rockets up its ass. And they have better engines here are the links.
http://users3.cgiforme.com/javad/messages/523.html
Here it says that we win in a dog fight.

also read this about your stealth technology and what it can and can not do
http://users3.cgiforme.com/javad/messages/5397.html


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-37.htm

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f22/index.shtml

First SU-37, the F-22Raptor, remember that both are under construction and may never see the light of day.

 

[Guru]

Nope, the F-22s have manuverabilty too.

And, the thing that you don't seem to understand is that you won't see it on radar, and your SU-37s won't get a chance to shoot a rocket up its ass

 

[Kuzmich]

IF we see a bird on a radar then we shoot it. Read my links.
Oh and lets move this to a new thread, ok? You make one.

 

[Guru]

I read the links. The one about the SU-37 winning in a dogfight was a terrible source to link to. All it is is someone who thought the SU-37 routine was better in an air show. It talks nothing about the weapons, avionics, stealth, et cetra.

The first link just describes it. The raptor is all that and more, except for everytime that link mentions radar, that is an advantage for the f-22. The su-37 relys too heavily on a radar, and since radar won't reconize the f-22, it gives the f-22 an advantage.

"If we see a bird on radar we shoot"

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Radar is able to pick up an overwieght blue jay better than it can the Raptor. You really think your going to fire rockets at every blue jay, robin, et cetra? You realize how huge a waste of money that would be? You have no way of detecting the raptor, therefore you have no way of shooting it down.

Originally posted by Otmorosok
IF we see a bird on a radar then we shoot it. Read my links.
Oh and lets move this to a new thread, ok? You make one.

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If you insist, I'll make one in a few minutes

 

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

well u didnt atualy save our ''ass'' we were on the offensive when u came to claim a bit of glory u wait years, you gather enough forces so there could be no chance of losing.... it took about 2 years for you to come to our help.. it took the british
"When Hitler invaded Poland on the 1st September 1939 it was swiftly followed by the British and French governments declaring war on Germany, this occurred on Sunday the 3rd September 1939." thats 2 days btw if u helped us earlier maybe so many people's lives could be saved or not we all know how much the yanks love friendly fire

Ok, first off USA didn't want to enter the war at all, why would they it was in europe. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour Americans attacked the Japanese. Hitler then declared war on America to show support for the Japanese. So they kind of got tossed into it. Secondly, when Poland was invaded Britain and France didn't do anything except declare war. They said we are at war then that was it for a while. And finally when Poland was invaded Russia was on Germany's side! It was the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that said Russia and Germany wouldn't attack each other for 10 years and Russia got half of Poland for it.

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by Guru
I read the links. The one about the SU-37 winning in a dogfight was a terrible source to link to. All it is is someone who thought the SU-37 routine was better in an air show. It talks nothing about the weapons, avionics, stealth, et cetra.

The first link just describes it. The raptor is all that and more, except for everytime that link mentions radar, that is an advantage for the f-22. The su-37 relys too heavily on a radar, and since radar won't reconize the f-22, it gives the f-22 an advantage.

"If we see a bird on radar we shoot"

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Radar is able to pick up an overwieght blue jay better than it can the Raptor. You really think your going to fire rockets at every blue jay, robin, et cetra? You realize how huge a waste of money that would be? You have no way of detecting the raptor, therefore you have no way of shooting it down.



EDIT-

If you insist, I'll make one in a few minutes

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by Guru
I read the links. The one about the SU-37 winning in a dogfight was a terrible source to link to. All it is is someone who thought the SU-37 routine was better in an air show. It talks nothing about the weapons, avionics, stealth, et cetra.

The first link just describes it. The raptor is all that and more, except for everytime that link mentions radar, that is an advantage for the f-22. The su-37 relys too heavily on a radar, and since radar won't reconize the f-22, it gives the f-22 an advantage.

"If we see a bird on radar we shoot"

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Radar is able to pick up an overwieght blue jay better than it can the Raptor. You really think your going to fire rockets at every blue jay, robin, et cetra? You realize how huge a waste of money that would be? You have no way of detecting the raptor, therefore you have no way of shooting it down.


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If you insist, I'll make one in a few minutes

First SU-37 is more manuverable and has better engines,second, pilots have eyes, and SU-37 is a multi weather fighter so it doesnt matter if its night or day. So basically F-22 flies close enough not detected by radars and then is out manevered by SU-37 after what it is shot in ass. SU-37 is the only plain that can do cobra, and it can point its nose in any direction without changing speed or direction, F-22 cant do that, i actually somethere that US had a choice between stealth and maneurability, they chose stealth, SU-37 is much more maneurable then F-22, so even if F-22 hits one of our plains first after our pilots see it, it is no more a plain but a peace of metal waiting to explode under fire.

also read this

http://users3.cgiforme.com/javad/messages/5397.html

My first source was good, it shows that Su-37 is more manuverable then F-22
And read the links again SU-37 is faster then F-22 so the hit and run strategy wont work, you hit you try to run and you end up shot down if not by rocket then by bullets.

 

[Guru]

ok, you do have manuverability, ill give you that. However, it wont count for much. Sure it is impressive in air shows, but in combat situations it is going to help much.

Also, your source is not much of a source. You are just linking to another internet forum like this one, its not an official site or something with loads of information factual information, just a few people's point of view. They could be 12 for all we know. That link doesn't count for anything.


Nextly, the second your pilot gets a visual on the f-22, the f-22 has already shot its missles and is going home. And, it can be a challenge to be able to watch your 6, 12, 3, 9 and imbetween at the same time. Plus, the f-22 doesnt have to get 10 ft away to shoot, it can easily take it out from a distance. Also, don't count on visuality too much, take a look at this link:

http://www.f-22raptor.com/st_future.php

As for speed, take a look at this link:

http://www.f-22raptor.com/af_engines.php

Although the SU-37 has a higher top speed, the F-22 has a higher cruising speed. Not to mention the element of surprise. So while the SU-37 is flying at normal speeds, the F-22 can sneak up on it due to the greater crusing speed and easily get shots off before the SU-37 even knows its there.

Also, the raptor has the most advanced avionics in the world. Take a look:
http://www.f-22raptor.com/af_avionics.php#self_defense

The SU-37 is good, just not quite as good as the F-22

 

[amrtin77]

dude otmo, thats not a source its a freakin chat room. those are random people that may or may not know the hell they are talking about.

ok the SU-37 IS more manueverable, but itll never get a chance to fight the F-22 if the american pilot isnt a dumbass.

guru, is f-22 the fighter that can land and takeoff like a helecopter?

no, your thinking of the harrier.

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by Guru
ok, you do have manuverability, ill give you that. However, it wont count for much. Sure it is impressive in air shows, but in combat situations it is going to help much.

Also, your source is not much of a source. You are just linking to another internet forum like this one, its not an official site or something with loads of information factual information, just a few people's point of view. They could be 12 for all we know. That link doesn't count for anything.


Nextly, the second your pilot gets a visual on the f-22, the f-22 has already shot its missles and is going home. And, it can be a challenge to be able to watch your 6, 12, 3, 9 and imbetween at the same time. Plus, the f-22 doesnt have to get 10 ft away to shoot, it can easily take it out from a distance. Also, don't count on visuality too much, take a look at this link:

http://www.f-22raptor.com/st_future.php

As for speed, take a look at this link:

http://www.f-22raptor.com/af_engines.php

Although the SU-37 has a higher top speed, the F-22 has a higher cruising speed. Not to mention the element of surprise. So while the SU-37 is flying at normal speeds, the F-22 can sneak up on it due to the greater crusing speed and easily get shots off before the SU-37 even knows its there.

Also, the raptor has the most advanced avionics in the world. Take a look:
http://www.f-22raptor.com/af_avionics.php#self_defense

The SU-37 is good, just not quite as good as the F-22

The link you provided about the color changing plains doesnt count cause this technology is in the testing stage and it is what it is, meaning future tech. Now you do realize that if our pilot spots you sneaking up ten all he has to do is turn around, and unlike F-22 he can do it without changing his direction.

I just went looking for links and i found out that there is a stealth SU-37 being tested, its called SU-37 Barkut, i go find more links, this is great it if this plain is ever made then Russian air domenance is assured.

 

[Guru]

Thats the thing, you chances of spotting us are slim to none, and by the time you do, our missiles are have way there.

The link about the color does count. That could happen very soon, and I clarified that. Pretty much, what it is saying is that in the next few years, are plains will be pratically invisibile to the human eye and radar. You will have even less of a chance against them.

EDIT -

Note this - at night time, your plains have absolutely no defense. Meaning you can only fly during day, where your chances of winning are still very slim.

If a war emerged between the two fighters, the ratio would be about 85/15. Meaning out of a hundred incounters, the F-22 would come out on top of about 85 of them.

 

[Kuzmich]

here is one of the links about Su-37 Berkut stealth fighter
http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/s37.htm
Check the video from this forum, click on the red link provided then you enter my link
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5032

THis is amazing, there is no more thing like having to go forward while turning. The movie is in Russian but just watch the movie itself thats incredible stuff.
read this also
http://robocat.users.btopenworld.com/su37.htm

Another link, read all of this it shows everything into great detail
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/six5th_5.html

I dont know now how the fight will happen, you dont see us we dont see you, but we are steal more manuverable so if accidenlty one of us will see each other you dead.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

i didnt see much in terms of missiles. are any american misslies hard to detect on radar? if so, f22's can see su37's a long time before the su37 can see it due to the fact the su37 doesnt have stealth and the f22 does as well as having some of the best radar technology in the world. IF there are stealthlike missiles, then how do u expect to even shootdown a f22 because by the time they get in range of you your toast.

 

[Guru]

That link even says it is still "catching up with" the US stealth, meaning its not as good. Its no where close to as good, and it has many ways of being detected that the raptor does not.

 

[Kuzmich]

Read all my links, i'll keep them coming and watch the movie, your F-22 cant do that.