Discust with Illegal Aliens

[amrtin77]

by your definition any country ever involved in any conflict is a terrorist. im talking about things like 9/11. there is no efficient way to stop it.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

terrorism is just a way to scare someone into doing what you want them to do.

figure out what coercion is

 

[amrtin77]

then thats easy to stop, so long as your government is good at lying to the people. right now our government is telling us that we have a way to stop terrorists from killing more people, this is a lie. we do not. we can give a false sense of security but no real security. this is what im getting at.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

okay then i agree, because there is no way to have a true sense of security

 

[Tempest Storm]

How do you really stop someone who is willing to die for their cause?

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

you kill them before they ever have the chance to kill themselves?

 

[Forged]

But how do you know they are going to do it?

 

[Tempest Storm]

Terrorists are trained to slip though. In theory, killing them first is the perfect solution, but, in reality, it's almost impossible.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

you hirer(sp?) psychics to read their minds!!! but because of that being extremley improbable, you cant. its impossible since most of the people that do blow themselves up have only premeditated it for a few months.

 

[Tempest Storm]

Originally posted by LawrenceOfArabia
you hirer(sp?) psychics to read their minds!!! but because of that being extremley improbable, you cant. its impossible since most of the people that do blow themselves up have only premeditated it for a few months.

The 9/11 perps were in here for years planning and setting the stage for their attacks.

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

this is true, but there are other terrorist actions that were set up only months in advance. for example, the terrorist action by the sons of liberty(dumping tea into the harbor) was only planned a few months earlier.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by LawrenceOfArabia
this is true, but there are other terrorist actions that were set up only months in advance. for example, the terrorist action by the sons of liberty(dumping tea into the harbor) was only planned a few months earlier.

Heh, much has changed since those days

 

[TrongaMonga]

You are indeed American.

Congratulations. Hope you go to Mars when oil is founded there.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by TrongaMonga
You are indeed American.

Congratulations. Hope you go to Mars when oil is founded there.

American I am indeed... and when we do find oil on Mars, I can assure I'll be the first one up drilling for it... rather than sitting in a shit-hole country staring at the world for hand-outs and what not... ever wonder why America, a very young country when compared to others, is the world's greatest power? Could it be the initiative we have...

 

[TrongaMonga]

Initiative...

If we look at the tremendous resources you guys have, with out anyone atacking for those centurys (indians don't count, they were nothing of a threat), I wouldn't say it was that hard.

Now, if we look at my country, for example, which is like an example of every other country.

Well, in 300 hundred years under the censorship of the Church, the invasions from Spain, the Reconquest of the Muslims, the huge lack of resources we have (praticcly only wood, not even the land is good for agriculture), we develepod, and we became the largest empire ever to be in the entire world (Brazil, part of Africa, India, colonies in China, Japan, Islands in the Atlantic, Indic, Pacific), and all that with the cost of human blood.

You... With a country of the size of Europe, rich in resources...

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by TrongaMonga
Initiative...

If we look at the tremendous resources you guys have, with out anyone atacking for those centurys (indians don't count, they were nothing of a threat), I wouldn't say it was that hard.

Now, if we look at my country, for example, which is like an example of every other country.

Well, in 300 hundred years under the censorship of the Church, the invasions from Spain, the Reconquest of the Muslims, the huge lack of resources we have (praticcly only wood, not even the land is good for agriculture), we develepod, and we became the largest empire ever to be in the entire world (Brazil, part of Africa, India, colonies in China, Japan, Islands in the Atlantic, Indic, Pacific), and all that with the cost of human blood.

You... With a country of the size of Europe, rich in resources...

First, what do you call the American Revolution? Or how about the War of 1812, or how about incidents with Mexico? What do you call our internal conflict the Civil War, what do you call World War I and World War II, what do you call Vietnam, what do you call Korea, what do you call the first Gulf War?

Second, I'll grant you that we have resources, but we fought for those resources and the land... learn about the original 13 colonies and our expansion West through Manifest Destiny before you blab on about your country's size...

Third, you country obviously failed with its largest empire... which is inaccurate, because the Roman Empire was the largest... what happened, couldn't fight off the mean nasty British and Spanish... cry me a river...

Fourth, its called initiative, take charge, get what you need to keep the country well off, our invasion of Iraq may have had other causes other than getting a retard out of power, but from that, we prosper...

 

[TrongaMonga]

Of course you had some wars inside your territory, but, the biggest part of them was not... The largest ones you fought, the world war I & II were in Europe... Your population could be giving supplys and weapons to your soldiers, relatevly safe... Of course, in fear of an atack, but it was not certain. It was, in my country...

Imagine what it would be if you were atacked from every corner, inside your own territory... Our people was not safe, while your soldiers were fighting in the other side of the world...

And the Roman Empire was not the largest, the Mongols' one was (yea, I was unnacurate indeed).

Yes, we then lost our empire to Spain and England. No wonder, because of some stupid herediterety stuff, we became part of Spain for a 60 years, time enough for those idiots to break us apart. But that's not the point, we made it praticly from zero. You fought for your resources, big deal... Against a rabble of badly armed Indians... Try well armored entire armies, out-numbered. We won several of those, a lot more than what we lost.

I can't say that we did not do stole other people lands as well, but, heck, those were times before, and during, the Renaissance... We are in the 21th century...

And, blabing about my country's size? Have you ever looked to a map and looked at it? It's right there, in the atachment...

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by TrongaMonga
Of course you had some wars inside your territory, but, the biggest part of them was not... The largest ones you fought, the world war I & II were in Europe... Your population could be giving supplys and weapons to your soldiers, relatevly safe... Of course, in fear of an atack, but it was not certain. It was, in my country...

Imagine what it would be if you were atacked from every corner, inside your own territory... Our people was not safe, while your soldiers were fighting in the other side of the world...

And the Roman Empire was not the largest, the Mongols' one was (yea, I was unnacurate indeed).

Yes, we then lost our empire to Spain and England. No wonder, because of some stupid herediterety stuff, we became part of Spain for a 60 years, time enough for those idiots to break us apart. But that's not the point, we made it praticly from zero. You fought for your resources, big deal... Against a rabble of badly armed Indians... Try well armored entire armies, out-numbered. We won several of those, a lot more than what we lost.

I can't say that we did not do stole other people lands as well, but, heck, those were times before, and during, the Renaissance... We are in the 21th century...

And, blabing about my country's size? Have you ever looked to a map and looked at it? It's right there, in the atachment...

Granted that WW I and WW II weren't in America but we've faced what others haven gone through too... but unlike others, we were able to fend them off.

I know what being invaded from every side is, and that is what this thread is about. America is being invaded by illegals from all corners, Americans are losing slipping through the cracks and it's time we stood up and fought! (Yes, its an American History X quote.)

As for the largest empire ever, I did a few Google searches and have had the Roman Empire, the British Empire, Ghangis Kahn's empire, and a few others come back as the largest, but no where did I find Portugual...

So are you trying to say that America only fought people in bare knuckle fights and wrestling matches or something?

As for size, the U.S. had the intelligence to expand and hold the land, your country obviously didn't because look at the size now... but remember size doesn't matter...

 

[TrongaMonga]

Actually, we just couldn't expand, there was no where to do that... But our country is the one in Europe that has it's borders fixed (if we don't count those 60 years of Spain dependece) for longer, and even in the world.

I've heard that Canada was able to take the White House down, can't confirm, I'm no expert in American history.

Meh, with all this, I just wanted to say that, if you have the right to invade a country, remove his leader (which is a right thing to do), and keep the oil, I don't see why can't the mexicans try their luck in the US...

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by TrongaMonga
Actually, we just couldn't expand, there was no where to do that... But our country is the one in Europe that has it's borders fixed (if we don't count those 60 years of Spain dependece) for longer, and even in the world.

I've heard that Canada was able to take the White House down, can't confirm, I'm no expert in American history.

Meh, with all this, I just wanted to say that, if you have the right to invade a country, remove his leader (which is a right thing to do), and keep the oil, I don't see why can't the mexicans try their luck in the US...

Too bad for your country... boo-hoo...

Canada wasn't able to take down the White House, the British were able to during the War of 1812... but how did that end?

Why can't the Mexicans try their luck with the U.S.? Simple, we have guns, money, and an army that would crush any challenge on our soil...