The DotA Thread! [Basic Strats and Hero/Item talk]

[ChrisH36]

Tell that to the people who underestimate him!

 

[Dream_Walker]

Well Dagon coupled with Malefice + Death Ward (if you got Lothar's, WW channel it) will surely get you a kill. If you find it hard to aim Malefice, try to find a Shadow Shaman and go with him. Shackles will surely help with aiming.

~Congrats me, 20 pages.

 

[ChrisH36]

Here is a little trick to help you use Furion's Wrath of Nature for damage! Using Watcher Wards, plant them at every creep camp on your half of the map, so you can see these units. Then when you cast Wrath of Nature, your beam will strike these targets and add damage. To a point where it can be a real hero damager/killer.

I saw a guy do that and he managed to kill off 2 heroes with WoN.

 

[Dream_Walker]

It's practically like a toned down version of Wrath of the Thundergod, because it adds damage and hits heroes. This can be used very well WITH Wrath of the Thundergod because it will provide sight of Heroes around the map, so Wrath of Nature can hit them.

 

[ChrisH36]

Yeah, but the number of bounces is quite high. You still need to take into consideration that your Wrath will hit him while you still have sight on that hero.

 

[micro.micro]

i never use furion's ult when i play him.... the dmg isn't really that great and going through all that trouble to get more dmg added on isn't worth it if the hero goes out of your sight... just a waste of 600+ mana

 

[ChrisH36]

Not if you manage to pull off the bounces it needs. Remember, the damage goes up by 7% each time the spell hits something.

 

[micro.micro]

is it just 7%? i thought it was 7% of the creeps total life. so if it hit satyrs and centaurs ect... it would go up about 80 dmg each creep. but still too much trouble..

 

[ChrisH36]

Lets take level 3 wrath without aghanims. It does 225, lets say you manage to strike 15 units, it would go.

225 > 240.75 > 257.6 > 275.63 > 294.93 > 315.57 > 337.66 > 361.08 > 386.35
> 413.4 > 442.34 > 473.3 > 506.43 > 541.88 > 579.82.

579 is enough take off 1/2 or even 1/4 of your opponents life. If the final blow is the 500+, then you will farm off creeps quite easily. These 15 bounces are assuming you targeted 15 units properly. I am not sure what its maximum bounces are or how much WoN does with Aghanims.

 

[Dream_Walker]

Lets take level 3 wrath without aghanims. It does 225, lets say you manage to strike 15 units, it would go.

225 > 240.75 > 257.6 > 275.63 > 294.93 > 315.57 > 337.66 > 361.08 > 386.35
> 413.4 > 442.34 > 473.3 > 506.43 > 541.88 > 579.82.

579 is enough take off 1/2 or even 1/4 of your opponents life. If the final blow is the 500+, then you will farm off creeps quite easily. These 15 bounces are assuming you targeted 15 units properly. I am not sure what its maximum bounces are or how much WoN does with Aghanims.

Nice calculations, i think Wrath of Nature does 280 base damage with Aghanims.

 

[ChrisH36]

30 damage is an improvement if you think about it. Take into consideration the 7% each time. But actually I will test this theory on some units. Either it will do 7% more than the damage it did, or do 7% more of the base. But the real challenge is raising the Prophet into a Battle-class hero, I have noticed that things like Hyper Stones and Int + items can help him out a great deal. Especially when you are being assisted by another ranged hero (or melee if you can trap your target and him inside the Tree Ring).

 

[micro.micro]

i always go battle with prophet. his range is awesome and so is his dmg. i only have problems with heros like magina since they can blink out of his trees. i usually get a deso then get scepter for the life (sometimes i just stick with a soulbooster since i don't really need the ult bonus) or i just go buriza skaldi. never bother getting sheep stick though i wouldn't mind.

 

[Dream_Walker]

i always go battle with prophet. his range is awesome and so is his dmg. i only have problems with heros like magina since they can blink out of his trees. i usually get a deso then get scepter for the life (sometimes i just stick with a soulbooster since i don't really need the ult bonus) or i just go buriza skaldi. never bother getting sheep stick though i wouldn't mind.

Treads, MKB, Buriza > That. Do you teleport around on low hp heroes and pick them off?

 

[ChrisH36]

That is what I usually do when I have Akasha and I am chasing a weak hero. I either then fire a knife or just attack him.

 

[micro.micro]

i just farm up and tele around for low hp heros to kill. have you guys seen the new 6.3 beta? it isn't released yet but they have beastmaster, twined headed dragon (chimera), and destroyer. i think they are pretty cool.

 

[Dream_Walker]

i just farm up and tele around for low hp heros to kill. have you guys seen the new 6.3 beta? it isn't released yet but they have beastmaster, twined headed dragon (chimera), and destroyer. i think they are pretty cool.

give me map thru pm plzkthx.
Edit: ghey mod color.

 

[Wing Zero]

share teh welth now

 

[ChrisH36]

Oh joy, 3 new heroes to enjoy. But they still need a Tauren Chieftan one.

 

[micro.micro]

it took me a while to find the page again since they tried to close the topic lol.
~Link removed.

edit:

i was looking on the dota forums and here is the official release. i don't recommend dling the beata anymore.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=46061

 

[Dream_Walker]

That's fake, i already have it.