Re-elect Bush!!!

[bamthedoc]

Originally posted by Kamikaze
i don't know too many third world countries that have free access to doctors, immunization, perscription drugs, x-rays, cat scans and mri's.

my nephew was born prematurely and weighed under 2 lbs when he was born. it cost over 1 million dollars to keep him alive for the first year, and it was all free.
i would hate to live in a place where there is no health care.

There's a difference between level of healthcare and medicaid. Medicaid is Big Brother telling you that you aren't smart enough to earn money to pay for your own expenses. Healthcare is medical attention rendered.

Did you know that many Canadians cross the US/Canadian border to get to our healthcare system and avoid waiting lists several miles long? I'm actually surprised your aunt was able to avoid a maternal or pregnancy waiting list, if that type exists.

Like I said, BIG BROTHER DOESN'T WORK!! It has all but collapsed the healthcare system in the UK and Canada -- among others.






And to clear something up about 9/11 and other things.

During Clinton's eight years, I lived in fear of my life. I knew Clinton was lowering funding of the military, intelligence agencies, education, NASA, and many other important and neccessary federal organizations in favor of excessive (to the near point of socialism and Big Brother) Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and other unimportant and frivolous federal agencies.

I saw the economy downfall and an attack like 9/11 coming. I don't know why people were so surprised. Why were they? The Liberal Media (which his the majority of media) caused you to believe that Iraq was not a threat, that the people of the Middle East either liked us or Clinton, that -- let's just say the list goes on. Clinton's poor economic policies caused a devestating transition between him and Bush. In fact, all of Clinton's polocies led to a devestating transition.

It wouldn't take a psychic to deduce that those terrible things would happen; it would only take an economocist or military tacticion. I may be niether, but I'm a decent tactician. It didn't surprise me, even though I was still extremely mad at Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussien, the Al Queda, and the Ba'athists -- among others. Don't fool or delude yourselves in the lies of the Liberals; you must think for yourself!

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

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Originally posted by bamthedoc
I suppose that's why Canada and the UK's healthcare system is compared to third world countries?

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urm UK has a much better health care system than america..... and many other countries do too. its just basically the quality and its free! pls tell me why UK's health system is so bad your a tactician ROFLMAO sorry but that is the funnyiest thing i have ever heard yes it obvious that you saw 9/11 coming......

 

[Steven22]

Originally posted by bamthedoc During Clinton's eight years, I lived in fear of my life. I knew Clinton was lowering funding of the military, intelligence agencies, education, NASA, and many other important and neccessary federal organizations in favor of excessive (to the near point of socialism and Big Brother) Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and other unimportant and frivolous federal agencies.

Social Security, Welfare and Medicare useless? Would you please point out how frivolous and unimportant these agencies really are.
I hope you're not one of those many people that think the abusers of welfare are the 19 year old teenaged mothers with 3 children. I could point out some real abusers of Welfare if you would like.
Education is not really low quality because of decisions the president makes. No. Our school system sucks. But thats our city's fault. Cities and counties alike give tax breaks and huge amounts of money to companies to stay in their region. Hence our schools get sucked dry from any kind of decent economy coming their way. They can't buy good books, spend on computer labs or fix the infrastructure.

I saw the economy downfall and an attack like 9/11 coming. I don't know why people were so surprised. Why were they? Clinton's poor economic policies caused a devestating transition between him and Bush. In fact, all of Clinton's polocies led to a devestating transition.

Actually Clinton rode an economic boom set in the 90's. He took advantage of this because it was actually a surprising result of none other than "Reaganomics."
You expected an attack like 9/11 you say? Why did you not inform intelligence agencies or the government at all? You know you can call the Secret Service. I can give you the number of your city's local agent. I kid you not.

Don't fool or delude yourselves in the lies of the Liberals; you must think for yourself!

Of course the lies of the left are so evil, do not listen for they are satanic.
Say hi to Rush for me.

 

[BushForEmperor]

Thanks bamthedoc, finally someone with brains aound here. You liberals keep thinking out of your asses. And Kamikaze, so what is your solution to terrorism? Let them continue to strap bombs onto their chest and blow up civilians in Israel? Let them highjack planes and crash them into buildings untill all the terrorists kill themselves? And how is the war on terror the equivilent to killing peoples' friends and family? If a person is a terrorist, most likely his family and friends support him. The only example i can think of that differs from this is John Walker Lindh. But his family and friends didnt even know where he was. The only way to combat terrorism is by by killing them before they kill us. If you dont get them first, they will come for you. Some examples... 1993 World Trade, OKC building, the USS Cole bombing, the US embassies in Africa, and finally, 911. These occured becuase our dear friend Bill "Criminal" Clinton took out our military, intelligence, and weakend the boarder patrol. The only thing he came close to doing to fight terrorism was after the African embassies, and that was to lob a few cruise missles at some terrorists. That only encourages them, all must be taken out. I'd like to read BRILLIANT IDEA!

 

[BushForEmperor]

Actually Clinton rode an economic boom set in the 90's. He took advantage of this because it was actually a surprising result of none other than "Reaganomics."

Exactly, thats what ive been saying to the liberals in my town. He rode it just like Monica Luinsky did to his wang. They think he was so special and brilliant with economics. He did nothing except let companies like Enron and others to continue thier dirty ways. He was in office during the technology crash in/around 1998 and i dont recall any liberal being so pissed off at Clinton as you all seem to be at Bush. Oh, and shutupandgoaway, Clinton went with France and Germany's permission. They got Clinton in with NATO jargin because they didnt want a MURDERER in control of a country that would threaten them. Exactly what Saddam was.

 

[TrongaMonga]

Meh, to me, it isn't a hard choice, I won't vote Bush, and I won't vote of your Americans leaders.

All I know is that your social security suck, and that if by any chance you have an acident (at least the majority of the Americans), you have to suffer the rest of your entire life to be able to pay the bloody treatments...

What kind of country is one which main values are egoism and untolerance? I mean, you do anything, and I really mean anything for money... You will get to the top even if it means tossing anyone that aproaches you from the window (a metafora). You have entire comunities that do not allow foreigners to set there as they are different in religion or skin color. Even in wealth...

As I said in the other thread, you made History. When you got to the moon, and when little children shot other kids and teachers on the school... The only time you made actually made something new... If we call the advance of science, exactly that, advance of science, which, if we consider that every scientist you had that made the big push came from Europe.

Honestly, I consider almost everything from America to be disgusting (except some games and some music, you couldn't have everything bad).

But, that's my opinion, "and therefore undebateable".

Even though I'd like to.

Not even the language is originally yours.

Anyway, the reason why I've posted this in this thread that were for Americans was such untolerance on the other people partys.

Even called him Nazi, in a bloody gaming forum...

"God Bless America"...

America? Do you bless Cuba in the meanwhile?

 

[shutupandgoaway]

Originally posted by BushForEmperor
Thanks bamthedoc, finally someone with brains aound here. You liberals keep thinking out of your asses. And Kamikaze, so what is your solution to terrorism? Let them continue to strap bombs onto their chest and blow up civilians in Israel? Let them highjack planes and crash them into buildings untill all the terrorists kill themselves? And how is the war on terror the equivilent to killing peoples' friends and family? If a person is a terrorist, most likely his family and friends support him. The only example i can think of that differs from this is John Walker Lindh. But his family and friends didnt even know where he was. The only way to combat terrorism is by by killing them before they kill us. If you dont get them first, they will come for you. Some examples... 1993 World Trade, OKC building, the USS Cole bombing, the US embassies in Africa, and finally, 911. These occured becuase our dear friend Bill "Criminal" Clinton took out our military, intelligence, and weakend the boarder patrol. The only thing he came close to doing to fight terrorism was after the African embassies, and that was to lob a few cruise missles at some terrorists. That only encourages them, all must be taken out. I'd like to read BRILLIANT IDEA!

I agree that we need to hit terrorists, but Iraq had NO ties to al quaeda.And clinton did suck,i agree completely. If i had been politically active during his administration, i would have bitched about him almost as much.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Drop the bullshit "your arguments are only supported by liberal/conservative media". Drop the name calling too. Drop your thoughts about how "pieous" your way of thinking is. That's all of you. I don't care if you're liberal or conservative. If this doesn't turn into an intelligent discussion rather than first grade name calling I'm closing it.

 

[bamthedoc]

Social Security, Welfare and Medicare useless? Would you please point out how frivolous and unimportant these agencies really are.
I hope you're not one of those many people that think the abusers of welfare are the 19 year old teenaged mothers with 3 children. I could point out some real abusers of Welfare if you would like.
Education is not really low quality because of decisions the president makes. No. Our school system sucks. But thats our city's fault. Cities and counties alike give tax breaks and huge amounts of money to companies to stay in their region. Hence our schools get sucked dry from any kind of decent economy coming their way. They can't buy good books, spend on computer labs or fix the infrastructure.

:rolleyes Okay, you note I said "excessive" as well? Social Programs are frivolous; though, they can be helpful. Leave them at helpful and not "taking over lives" and you've got something better.

I do know that there are more problems with education than with the federal, but that's why we need tougher federal regulations for education toward the State and Local areas.

Actually Clinton rode an economic boom set in the 90's. He took advantage of this because it was actually a surprising result of none other than "Reaganomics."
You expected an attack like 9/11 you say? Why did you not inform intelligence agencies or the government at all? You know you can call the Secret Service. I can give you the number of your city's local agent. I kid you not.

"Reaganomics" part is true enough

I'm wondering, though... Do you actually read what I say? I said that I was expecting something like 9/11. I don't have the resources to go out and find out exactly when and where such an attack would come, but I knew it was coming. Try reading next time.

Of course the lies of the left are so evil, do not listen for they are satanic.
Say hi to Rush for me.

Okay... I was commenting on the fact that most of the media is Liberal. I don't believe the "all Conservative" media either. I listen to it, but I try to find a more balanced source.



As for Iraq having no links to Al Queda, there are links to terrorism in every country with a perceptable population of people who are preached hatred of the US and/or democracy everyday. In fact (in case you haven't noticed), large groups of Al Queda have moved into Iraq. In all likely hood, enough research may prove a solid link between Saddam and Osama. I don't know how solid, but we'll have to wait on anything they uncover

 

[TrongaMonga]

Originally posted by bamthedoc
As for Iraq having no links to Al Queda, there are links to terrorism in every country with a perceptable population of people who are preached hatred of the US and/or democracy everyday.

Actually, that would include everything but the US themself, and even it in some parts...

There will always be a percentage of people who, in a sense of being either disguested, jealous, and sad, that will hate US in every country.

 

[Forged]

Originally posted by JeFfDiddy78
hey nazi boy 1.im from chicago 2. how would you like a undocumented person and also the person more likey be a criminal how would you like it if he came in this country and raped your mom sister or you..thats one crime that could of been prevented if we ship all of them out of this country

Wow your grammer amazes me.
1.You act like an ignorant redneck you are one.

2.I really couldn't care less if an undocumented person from another country came to my country, and worked a $6/hr job I don't want anyway... Aren't we all aliens anyway? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we move to this country, kill a shitload of people who were here first and wanted only to share the land ir what?

3.Terrorism can never be stopped don't kid yourself. I hope you don't think the annoying long security lines I must stand in while flying would stop a person with a brain from blowing up a plane. (I can think of 5 or 6 ways to do it off hand)

I find it hilarious you would call my nazi after a post as full of bigtory hate as you just wrote. My signature is a political statment no way endorsing facism or any such.

And yes I think welfare, social security, tax on big buisness, homosexual marriage, and other such abominations that will destroy are theocratic society are good.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by Forged
Wow your grammer amazes me.
1.You act like an ignorant redneck you are one.

2.I really couldn't care less if an undocumented person from another country came to my country, and worked a $6/hr job I don't want anyway... Aren't we all aliens anyway? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we move to this country, kill a shitload of people who were here first and wanted only to share the land ir what?

3.Terrorism can never be stopped don't kid yourself. I hope you don't think the annoying long security lines I must stand in while flying would stop a person with a brain from blowing up a plane. (I can think of 5 or 6 ways to do it off hand)

I find it hilarious you would call my nazi after a post as full of bigtory hate as you just wrote. My signature is a political statment no way endorsing facism or any such.

And yes I think welfare, social security, tax on big buisness, homosexual marriage, and other such abominations that will destroy are theocratic society are good.

First off, your grammar is no better than JeFfDiddy78's, so drop the attitude smartass.

Second, you may not care about some illegal boarder hopper stealing jobs that pay $6 an hour from Americans but guess what, others do. You may be one of the lucky ones that does have a decent job that pays well, but how all those unemployed Americans now-a-days? Don't they need jobs? Isn't the U.S. in a period where the unemployment rate is at a high? Wouldn't the logical thing to do is close the boarders and/or not allow non-citizens to work and give the jobs to the people that need them here first?

Third, I agree that terrorism will never be stopped, but the rest of what you said is just plain stupid. You're telling me that screening passengers carefully isn't a good way to stop people before they actually do something wrong? Let me guess, you want everyone to get on the plane in five minutes so that you can fly your pansy ass to wherever... learn to work with it... on 9/11, over three thousand people died, and a lot of people, myself included, don't want to see that again. If you have a problem with waiting so that we can make that some dumb Arab doesn't jump out with a switch blade 30,000 feet up in the air and scream "Allah", then walk your ass to wherever you have to be and shut it... And congratulations on thinking of a few ways to blow up a plane. Try them and let's see how it turns out smartass...

Fourth, your signature is a political statement? Then you're a ****ing moron... it's okay for you to express your belief that Bush is a moron and a Nazi and whatever but yet you call someone a "redneck" cause he's a Republican? You should be shot... you're probably one of those ****ing hippies that ruined America in the 1960s... why don't you go share your peace piece pipe with someone who actually wants to listen to a raving lunatic...

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by jaguar291
Second, you may not care about some illegal boarder hopper stealing jobs that pay $6 an hour from Americans but guess what, others do. You may be one of the lucky ones that does have a decent job that pays well, but how all those unemployed Americans now-a-days? Don't they need jobs? Isn't the U.S. in a period where the unemployment rate is at a high? Wouldn't the logical thing to do is close the boarders and/or not allow non-citizens to work and give the jobs to the people that need them here first?

Have you considered that trickle-down economics is basically paying companies to ship jobs off the continent? Why would companies even care about illegal immigrants when they can hire even cheaper people in foreign sweatshops? I really don't think that if you're genuinely concerned about employment that the best way to go about solving it is to try to "fix" illegal immigration.

On a side note: Did you guys not ****ING HEAR ME?! Stop the personal attacks or all of you are warned and this thread is closed. This applies to you too Forged. You don't need to call people "ignorant rednecks" to get your point across. And jaguar, this applies to the term "hippy" as well. Stereotypes only make you seem incapable of forming coherent refutations. So for the love of God, stop.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
Have you considered that trickle-down economics is basically paying companies to ship jobs off the continent? Why would companies even care about illegal immigrants when they can hire even cheaper people in foreign sweatshops? I really don't think that if you're genuinely concerned about employment that the best way to go about solving it is to try to "fix" illegal immigration.

On a side note: Did you guys not ****ING HEAR ME?! Stop the personal attacks or all of you are warned and this thread is closed. This applies to you too Forged. You don't need to call people "ignorant rednecks" to get your point across. And jaguar, this applies to the term "hippy" as well. Stereotypes only make you seem incapable of forming coherent refutations. So for the love of God, stop.

See... you're confusing job types here buddy. The jobs that are exported to foreign countries are those that normally are for educated people... for example software coding, tech support, and etc.... I'm talking about jobs that require little or no skill... dish washing jobs, lawn care, retail, and etc., jobs that are practically given away to illegals and/or minorities these days...

Second, someone with his mental capacity and with swastikas next to my President's head deserves to be called more than a hippy and if you find that as grounds to close this thread, so be it...

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by jaguar291
See... you're confusing job types here buddy. The jobs that are exported to foreign countries are those that normally are for educated people... for example software coding, tech support, and etc.... I'm talking about jobs that require little or no skill... dish washing jobs, lawn care, retail, and etc., jobs that are practically given away to illegals and/or minorities these days...

Second, someone with his mental capacity and with swastikas next to my President's head deserves to be called more than a hippy and if you find that as grounds to close this thread, so be it...

Fine, then exporting skilled jobs will create more of a market for unskilled labor, the kind that Mexicans can "steal". That in itself is ridiculous anyway. What incentive to people have for hiring Mexicans other than them being more willing to work?

Maybe you misunderstood me. I wasn't asking if you could justify your actions. I am telling both you and Forged to stop. If you continue I will warn you.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
Fine, then exporting skilled jobs will create more of a market for unskilled labor, the kind that Mexicans can "steal". That in itself is ridiculous anyway. What incentive to people have for hiring Mexicans other than them being more willing to work?

Maybe you misunderstood me. I wasn't asking if you could justify your actions. I am telling both you and Forged to stop. If you continue I will warn you.

Umm... could it be the logical answer that illegals (not only Mexicans) will work for lower wages and off the records because they are ILLEGAL?

And second, knock yourself out... I didn't misunderstand you, I told you what I thought and if you have a problem, the **** off!

 

[Forged]

I wasn't even alive in the 60's hell my mom wasn't even born until 1968 so No I wasn't one of those hippies. I am not one of those hippies now, just a guy with a little common sense.

If there is a minimum wage set, and we don't consider anyone illegal, you know open boarder the way it should be.... Then they could not pay Mexicans less then they could pay white people.

And yes I have a problem with standing in line for 45 minutes so people like you can fill safe, while people with a little more common sense realise while yes it might keep a few idiots out of planes it won't keep genuine terrorist with expert cia training from blowing up a plane.

And no I am not going to try and hijack a plane for two reasons
1.I am not suicidal
2.I don't want to kill people

It obviouslly not that hard to get weapons on a plane that one guy managed to get c4 and butterfly knives on...

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by jaguar291
Umm... could it be the logical answer that illegals (not only Mexicans) will work for lower wages and off the records because they are ILLEGAL?

Maybe that's where the real problems at then.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by Forged
If there is a minimum wage set, and we don't consider anyone illegal, you know open boarder the way it should be.... Then they could not pay Mexicans less then they could pay white people.

And yes I have a problem with standing in line for 45 minutes so people like you can fill safe, while people with a little more common sense realise while yes it might keep a few idiots out of planes it won't keep genuine terrorist with expert cia training from blowing up a plane.

And no I am not going to try and hijack a plane for two reasons
1.I am not suicidal
2.I don't want to kill people

It obviouslly not that hard to get weapons on a plane that one guy managed to get c4 and butterfly knives on...

First, if we opened up the boarders, imagine what America would become... an enormous cess pool... we have a high unemployment rate as it is, imagine what an uncontrolled boarder would cause, and we have enough drug problems and criminal activity by illegals with the a boarder policy, imagine an uncontrolled population flooding into this country, imagine the smuggling, the crime, America's crime rate would double within months... I don't think thats a logical nor affective idea...

Second, the 19 guys that carried out 9/11 had box cutters and knives, they weren't criminal masterminds that planted tracking devices and cameras in the airports and then performed a S.W.A.T. style operation... they took over 4 planes with the simplicity of a basic mugging... so I beg to differ... searching people at the airport will have a positive affect...

That incident with the guy being able to get C4 and whatever he had only shows how much more we need to increase security and how we should monitor our citizens a lot more than we already do..

 

[Forged]

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
~Benjamin Franklin

And I am not saying we need a complettly open boarder, keeping felons out is a good thing.
However as I disagree with the whole drug war...

What I do in my free time is none of the govs. buisness.