Tempest Storm
Premium Member
I don’t really like the thought of Christians ‘attacking’ anything. IMO, they’ve done enough of hat already.
According to that site, 33% of the world following the Christian religion, though it is dropping, and Islam, which is growing, now commands 20% of the world’s population. Judaism has around 5 to 10% of the world’s population. That comes out to a good 60%. Well, all I know is that if 60% of the worlds pop was Buddhist, the world would be a much more peaceful place.
You seem to think that there was no concept of morality or “right and wrong†before religion. And if so, you are very wrong.
10,000 years ago, during the Agricultural Revolution, self-discipline and morality were forced upward. They had to curb their out of control tendencies, and their animal instincts in order to survive. As they domesticated their animal and plant food stocks, they in turn, domesticated themselves. They stepped up from being nothing more than savage hunter/gathers to farmers.
3,500 BC: With the Governmental Revolutions in Mesopotamia and Egypt, the individual is forced, among other things, to be socially compatible, since the newly formed city-states forced ppl to live closer to their fellow man than ever before. This socio-economic interactivity put great importance on social ethics. This is where the concept of morality was first born, within society, not with religion.
500 BC: The Rational Revolution takes place though out much of the Old World, including Greece, Persia, Judea, China, and India, a new sophistication and consistency of thought begins, and ushers in a new Age of Reason. Though it only emerges in full in Greece, where true, full, philosophy and morality are born.
250 BC: There is a new, and sad, outcry against philosophy and reason, as ppl turn towards the enemy of reason; religion. During this time, and over the next several hundred years, Christianity and Judaism flourish, with Islam soon after that. Also during this time, religion takes hold of the concept of morality, twisting it, perverting it, and separating it from philosophy, making morality itself immoral and corrupt. But this idea of “religious morality†gives the religions the ability to enforce their inane doctrine with a sword of “righteousness†and a shield of “justiceâ€.
Morality was born in society, was made whole with philosophy, and was perverted by religion.
The only good thing, is that in recent decades, philosophy is against being merged with morality, to introduce a new Age of Reason, as religion is slowly being separated from morality, at least here in America.
As for ppl being repulsed by it, that my dear has very much to do with the way ppl were conditioned to it, hence religion plays a great part in it. I’ll explain in a minute.
During the peek of Greek civilization, in the cite-state of Sparta, homosexuality was not only common, not only accepted, but mandatory for men in the army. There were many reasons for this, but the point is, is that when morality was in it’s true form, when it was paired with philosophy, there was nothing “immoral†about homosexuality. Because philosophy teaches that there is nothing inherently evil about homosexuality.
Now back to my original point. Only recently, past few decades, when philosophy and morality once again started to mix, was homosexuality more accepted, though still demonized by the Church until the late eighties, though in decreasing amounts. More and more ppl are becoming more tolerant of homosexuality. And in fact, it is the baby boomer generation that has the most problem with homosexuality, who, might I add, were raised when America was still a Christian nation, when the Bible was still in school, when prayer was not only allowed, but sometimes mandatory, and when Christian “morals†reigned supreme. Generation X is more tolerant of it, but generation Y, they have no problem with it. Most of these polls are with Baby Boomers and some Gen Xers, not with our generation. Fact is American youth is becoming more and more liberal, and more and more accepting of religiously “immoral†ideas, such as abortion, nudity, homosexuality and many other topics. This coincides with the decrease of Christianity in America as well. America, in fact, is slowly becoming more and more moral.
According to that site, 33% of the world following the Christian religion, though it is dropping, and Islam, which is growing, now commands 20% of the world’s population. Judaism has around 5 to 10% of the world’s population. That comes out to a good 60%. Well, all I know is that if 60% of the worlds pop was Buddhist, the world would be a much more peaceful place.
You seem to think that there was no concept of morality or “right and wrong†before religion. And if so, you are very wrong.
10,000 years ago, during the Agricultural Revolution, self-discipline and morality were forced upward. They had to curb their out of control tendencies, and their animal instincts in order to survive. As they domesticated their animal and plant food stocks, they in turn, domesticated themselves. They stepped up from being nothing more than savage hunter/gathers to farmers.
3,500 BC: With the Governmental Revolutions in Mesopotamia and Egypt, the individual is forced, among other things, to be socially compatible, since the newly formed city-states forced ppl to live closer to their fellow man than ever before. This socio-economic interactivity put great importance on social ethics. This is where the concept of morality was first born, within society, not with religion.
500 BC: The Rational Revolution takes place though out much of the Old World, including Greece, Persia, Judea, China, and India, a new sophistication and consistency of thought begins, and ushers in a new Age of Reason. Though it only emerges in full in Greece, where true, full, philosophy and morality are born.
250 BC: There is a new, and sad, outcry against philosophy and reason, as ppl turn towards the enemy of reason; religion. During this time, and over the next several hundred years, Christianity and Judaism flourish, with Islam soon after that. Also during this time, religion takes hold of the concept of morality, twisting it, perverting it, and separating it from philosophy, making morality itself immoral and corrupt. But this idea of “religious morality†gives the religions the ability to enforce their inane doctrine with a sword of “righteousness†and a shield of “justiceâ€.
Morality was born in society, was made whole with philosophy, and was perverted by religion.
The only good thing, is that in recent decades, philosophy is against being merged with morality, to introduce a new Age of Reason, as religion is slowly being separated from morality, at least here in America.
As for ppl being repulsed by it, that my dear has very much to do with the way ppl were conditioned to it, hence religion plays a great part in it. I’ll explain in a minute.
During the peek of Greek civilization, in the cite-state of Sparta, homosexuality was not only common, not only accepted, but mandatory for men in the army. There were many reasons for this, but the point is, is that when morality was in it’s true form, when it was paired with philosophy, there was nothing “immoral†about homosexuality. Because philosophy teaches that there is nothing inherently evil about homosexuality.
Now back to my original point. Only recently, past few decades, when philosophy and morality once again started to mix, was homosexuality more accepted, though still demonized by the Church until the late eighties, though in decreasing amounts. More and more ppl are becoming more tolerant of homosexuality. And in fact, it is the baby boomer generation that has the most problem with homosexuality, who, might I add, were raised when America was still a Christian nation, when the Bible was still in school, when prayer was not only allowed, but sometimes mandatory, and when Christian “morals†reigned supreme. Generation X is more tolerant of it, but generation Y, they have no problem with it. Most of these polls are with Baby Boomers and some Gen Xers, not with our generation. Fact is American youth is becoming more and more liberal, and more and more accepting of religiously “immoral†ideas, such as abortion, nudity, homosexuality and many other topics. This coincides with the decrease of Christianity in America as well. America, in fact, is slowly becoming more and more moral.
if anything i think your country is going down the toilet, more divorces, more suicide, higher drug use, more teen pregnancies.. and they are only the BIG things!! please please please define moral!!!
