What is your favorite unit to mass?

[Pains Requiem]

i like massing and everything but i miss the good old days when people would build only TWO barracks or ONE upgrader and only FIVE HATCHERIES! (yes 5) those were good fights. u had to actually fight to win. poeple didnt rush and mixed their attack groups! and they would only send like maybe 12 at a time, instead of massing 150 of 1 unit. u could have only ONE seige tank and it would protect ur entire army. a few meds could keep the army alive. (the armies u build in campaigns and custom maps in single player) so i DO like massing (only if u can beat the other guy. with massing it really hurts if u get beat-whats not to like about a guy owning ur base with 100 dragoons while ur army is slaughtered or YOUR army owning HIS base with 350 zergling! (ive tried it))

 

[newbielord]

Mass tanks!
[ReD]Nada mass over 30 tanks ignoring the opponents ' air force
they easily eliminate all ground buildings&units before they totally
run out

 

[Madball]

speaking of massing, how many factories do ya terran players construct against lets say a toss enemy? And what stuff would you build against a zerg? Or a mixed zerg/toss 2v2 game?

 

[a@...]

3~4 Factories(2 machine shop)
6~8 Factories(3~4 machine shop) = if you have an expansion

Against Zerg-
marine, medic, and few firebats, tanks and vessels needed to take out lurkers(keep your opponent busy and use that time to expand)
2:2 game-
samething(marine, medic, and few firebats), building units that come from factories will make your game to lose(it's too risky, but if you survive early in the game, buildings tanks, vultures, or goliaths can be good)

 

[Madball]

hmm ok, so what do ya use for air?

 

[a@...]

Well, Terran don't have any good air units, and they are expensive.
I hardly use BattleCruisers, and they are for T vs T...
Valkyries are fine(they are expensive, and take lots of supplies)...but they are only good against wraiths, corsairs, mutalisks, and overlords...so you won't have that many chance to use them.
Wraiths are only for to take out capital ships such as BattleCruisers, and Carriers.(you can use them in T vs T, too.)
Science Vessels are for T vs Z(irradiate) and one more thing, EMP shockwave is way to overrated, it looks good, but it's not.

 

[-MatriX-]

[COLOR=33DD33]I always mass n00bs with Marines. It's fun. But with Battle Cruisers and Valks are the funnest.[/COLOR]

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[Madball]

Originally posted by a@...
Well, Terran don't have any good air units, and they are expensive.
I hardly use BattleCruisers, and they are for T vs T...
Valkyries are fine(they are expensive, and take lots of supplies)...but they are only good against wraiths, corsairs, mutalisks, and overlords...so you won't have that many chance to use them.
Wraiths are only for to take out capital ships such as BattleCruisers, and Carriers.(you can use them in T vs T, too.)
Science Vessels are for T vs Z(irradiate) and one more thing, EMP shockwave is way to overrated, it looks good, but it's not.

hmm about the sci vessel..I dont think its overrated..well maybe some ppl make it into something its not. Like saying, you could own with an entire army of sci vessels etc which is dumb. But its a detector, irradiate owns, EMP..well thing is I kinda agree with you, but then again not..I mean it can be very handy when wiping out photon cannons. Just emp a group of cannons and let your non-tank units destroy them in seconds. Also carriers are sweet to EMP, but you better have at least 2 sci vessels since the EMP radius isnt that big so you will perhaps have to do it twice on a group of carriers.

But you should definately use EMP before you attack the nme with your units since otherwise shields will go first anyways and EMP is useless.

I agree about terran air units..except when you have like +3/+3 upgraded wraiths, valks or BC:s. They can kick some ass when upgraded.

 

[mistro5000]

vults

 

[aphextwin]

i doubt u can win by massing one unit........... i usually go tanks and valks... on $$ maps

 

[Phoenix2003]

Originally posted by Madball
hmm about the sci vessel..I dont think its overrated..well maybe some ppl make it into something its not. Like saying, you could own with an entire army of sci vessels etc which is dumb. But its a detector, irradiate owns, EMP..well thing is I kinda agree with you, but then again not..I mean it can be very handy when wiping out photon cannons. Just emp a group of cannons and let your non-tank units destroy them in seconds. Also carriers are sweet to EMP, but you better have at least 2 sci vessels since the EMP radius isnt that big so you will perhaps have to do it twice on a group of carriers.

But you should definately use EMP before you attack the nme with your units since otherwise shields will go first anyways and EMP is useless.

I agree about terran air units..except when you have like +3/+3 upgraded wraiths, valks or BC:s. They can kick some ass when upgraded.

He said "EMP" is overrated and it is, not the SV itself. EMP is a ****ing joke and I'm a toss player. Losing shields to EMP is NO BIG DEAL.

Battlecrusiers suck, big time. They are widely recognized as one of the worst units in the game for their cost. They're only used in tvt where that's out of necessity and they wuld be used even if they did 10 damage. Did I mention they lose to just about everything cost-effectively except valks and pure muta?

Valks are just expensive and are easily killed by two scourge.

Wraiths are good at killing carriers/BCs, but get raped by corsairs/valks.

Question: why do you want to wait for EMP to kill toss units? You'd just get overrun by toss. SVs are at the tip top of the tech tree.

 

[Madball]

Originally posted by Phoenix2003
He said "EMP" is overrated and it is, not the SV itself. EMP is a ****ing joke and I'm a toss player. Losing shields to EMP is NO BIG DEAL.

Battlecrusiers suck, big time. They are widely recognized as one of the worst units in the game for their cost. They're only used in tvt where that's out of necessity and they wuld be used even if they did 10 damage. Did I mention they lose to just about everything cost-effectively except valks and pure muta?

Valks are just expensive and are easily killed by two scourge.

Wraiths are good at killing carriers/BCs, but get raped by corsairs/valks.

Question: why do you want to wait for EMP to kill toss units? You'd just get overrun by toss. SVs are at the tip top of the tech tree.

Well, if you are gonna use the EMP you should have a pretty good micro, because its hard to think of everything sometimes. It can come in very handy for example when destroying an nme building, nexus for example, fast. It depends tho, if you only have a HUGE amout of goons running at your terran nme, the sv:s will be quite useless. But lets say that T has alot of sieged tanks etc and stops your attack, wghich means you will have to attack some other way..

Besides one thing we are forgetting about the sv is....def matrix. It can be pretty darn good in some situations Ive noticed, especially when you have a couple sv:s around your troops with almost full energy. You can cast alot of DM and its especially good on your tanks since the nme usually tries to whipe these out.

 

[Phoenix2003]

What is it with you and your newbie therycraft?

 

[Madball]

Originally posted by Phoenix2003
What is it with you and your newbie therycraft?

huh?

 

[Tiger_shark]

The science vessel shouldn't be used in TvP for the following reaons:

- Too much gas, gas should be saved for tanks
- It's at the top of the tech tree, a waste of minerals getting there
- You have scanners and turrets!
- EMP, as phoenix said, won't do much against toss, you have vultures that can easily take down any shields the toss units have
- Toss units can over power you really easily, even if you defense matrix them. All the minerals are necessary for tanks and vultures.

 

[Guest]

Massing B.C.s against skilled players is suicide.
30 Ghosts>>>>>>>>30 B.C.s

 

[a@...]

The Science Vessel is meant to be used against Zerg.

 

[Phoenix2003]

30 BCs? That's alot of supply.

 

[-MatriX-]

[COLOR=33DD33]Hmm... That's 180 supply... That's a lot! Good luck on that one...[/COLOR]

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[Sakuhta]

Originally posted by Tiger_shark
OK....i don't get what it is with u ppl and massing....

SC is not designed for massing up units...itz using variety... units depend on each other for support ... For example...marines have medics, tanks have goliaths, carriers need corsairs or observers, Guardians need anti-air support, etc..etc..etc...

If you totally mass ONE unit the game..you will surely lose

There ya go. If you massed against me, you'd get owned