War in Iraq.

How do you stand on the war?

  • We should never have went.

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • It was good, but its time to leave.

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • We must continue to fight for the cause.

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • OGM...It was just a conspiracy for the oil. :o

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • Total voters
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Lights

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Should it be continued? Should it have ever been done?

Im just trying to get a general feel of how you all feel. Post a reason with your vote, if you would. Im not really looking for a debate, but...its not out of the question. ;)

Even if you arent going to post, vote.
 

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well I definately dont think that we should pull out now, that would be leaving a country thats not even developed all alone. We need to stay there until Iraq can support it self
 

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Was it a mistake or was it not? Either way we CANNOT leave. We left last time in the middle of it, Saddam took power again and took it our on his people.. Since then the Iraqis have not trusted us. They fear we will leave them again. We canot just leave until they are set and ready to be on their own. I would hope this much is obgvious to everyone.

I think we WERE misled into war (Iraq was never a direct threat, and true we know they had weapons because we gave them to them, but they could not reach us... They could however reach neighboring countries.) but no matter the cause I have supported the war from the beginning for the simple reason that it should help the iraqis and it should stabilize that region a little... Saddam making war with everyone around him isnt very good for the mid east. The Iraqi people obviously were not the reason we went to war, our government dont give a damn about them, but nonetheless it should be in their best intrest to take out saddam.
 

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The war in Iraq was necessary due to the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. A regime change to a better regime must be instituted, however: one under which the Iraqi people can have the ability to sleep safely at night. Under the US occupation, mobs and terrorists have become a rampant problem in Iraq. If the nation is turned over to its own people as soon as possible, those who know how the country actually functions, than it will most likely be returned to a nation at least somewhat liveable, and actually better than the Hussein regime.


Another problem I have with the Iraq war was the destruction of water treatment and power plants. Under the geneva conventions, this is quite obviously, even easy enough for tommy franks and president bush to understand, outlawed. This and the use of depleted uranium, which is highly radioactive lead to my belief that the war in Iraq was carried out in a manner far below the standards that should belong to a civilized nation.

A final problem I have with the war in Iraq is Bush's lying about the wmds. This is why we were voted into Iraq, and it is false. Clinton lied about an affair with an intern; Bush lied about a war costing over 8000 lives. Who deserves to be impeached?
 

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so what, it was his country, his people elected him and therefore its their fault for having him. i say, screw iraq. but, since i hate terrorists more than anything else, we must stay in iraq.
 

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Originally posted by shutupandgoaway


A final problem I have with the war in Iraq is Bush's lying about the wmds. This is why we were voted into Iraq, and it is false.
Lied? Haha, no. He did not lie.
He went by what his officials told him.
Saying that he lied is like saying that if I was told, by a reliable source, there was gold beneath your chair, and you looked but could not find; that I lied. I didnt lie. I went by what I was told.

Besides, the question is not only are there WMD's, but were there WMDs. They could have been moved out so incredibly easy during the chaos of the war. We cant be sure.
 

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@Bigshot: In case you don't remember the election was not his by the will of the majority. It was from the electoral college, and from many votes uncounted due to false criminal allegations, disallowing many democrats from voting, in Florida. The people of America did not want him in office. Also, even if they had, nowhere did he say he would attack Iraq.

@Lights: He rushed into war, blindly saying that there were wmds, despite the fact that the cia, and several million protestors worldwide, said not to. He repeatedly said that Iraq was an immediate threat, as did his cabinet. Unless he is extremely unintelligent, and i mean even stupider than I normally say he is, he should have heeded these warnings and not gone ahead constantly talking on about these ghostly wmds.
 

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Originally posted by shutupandgoaway
The war in Iraq was necessary due to the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. A regime change to a better regime must be instituted, however: one under which the Iraqi people can have the ability to sleep safely at night. Under the US occupation, mobs and terrorists have become a rampant problem in Iraq. If the nation is turned over to its own people as soon as possible, those who know how the country actually functions, than it will most likely be returned to a nation at least somewhat liveable, and actually better than the Hussein regime.


Another problem I have with the Iraq war was the destruction of water treatment and power plants. Under the geneva conventions, this is quite obviously, even easy enough for tommy franks and president bush to understand, outlawed. This and the use of depleted uranium, which is highly radioactive lead to my belief that the war in Iraq was carried out in a manner far below the standards that should belong to a civilized nation.

A final problem I have with the war in Iraq is Bush's lying about the wmds. This is why we were voted into Iraq, and it is false. Clinton lied about an affair with an intern; Bush lied about a war costing over 8000 lives. Who deserves to be impeached?

I agree but I'd like to say that the Geneva Convention is a joke. In Iraq we should not have played dirty at all. We should have made ourselves look as "civilized" as possible fighting that country that stood no chance against us. In any real war against a world power those stupid rules of wa would be thrown out so ****ing fast.... War is what happens when diploamcy fails, the final decider or a problem or problems. International law does not apply in a real war. Anything goes as war is lawless. Countries may refrain from doing thing if its in their best intrest, and allies may persuade them, but war in itself is something that happens when nothing else will work. You cannot put rules on a war.



oh yeah, and id like to say the people who know how iraq is run know how it ran under saddam... which was a pretty shitty way of running a country in my opinion. so we need to stick around.
 

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We should not have went. Weapons inspectors along with the cia both said not to go. This war was about wmd, there are none. Now we are using this free iraq shit, freeing iraq is not my problem. It is not worth my life, if they want to be free of a cruel dictator they can revolte. We did it, the french did it, the russians did it...
 

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I hate alot of it, the rush into the war. I hate the fact that there were no WMD and I'm suspicious how they could make a "mistake like that. I hate the uranium that was used. I hate the bombing of water supplies. I hate the amout of people killed. I hate bush for sticking his nose in. I hate the fact most Iraqis think you are an "occupying" force. I hate the amount of friendly fire. I hate all the bullshit that Bush has told Americans about the war. I hate the way Bush starts a war and makes the UN foot the bill when it comes to rebuildning Iraq. I hate it when I see on the front page of a newpaper "2 American soilders died today" then a page 15 it'll say "A couple of hundred Iraqs were Injured or killed in last nights confrontation. I hate the amount of times the Bush adminstration uses "EVIL" when talking about Iraq. The only thing I agree with is that you need to stay ther until Iraq is ready to support itself.
 

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Originally posted by Forged
We should not have went. Weapons inspectors along with the cia both said not to go. This war was about wmd, there are none. Now we are using this free iraq shit, freeing iraq is not my problem. It is not worth my life, if they want to be free of a cruel dictator they can revolte. We did it, the french did it, the russians did it...
Revolt? Um, they tried that, remember, didn't end too well, IIRC. At the end of Gulf War 1, the Kurds rebeled, and, they got gassed for it. And in the south, a dozen cities took up arms against Saddam. They were put down easily.

Now, they could have reveolted again. But ther's a difference between doing something that risks your life, and doing something that will pretty much garentee that your wife and daughters will be raped, tortured and killed as you're forced to watch, before they torture and kill you.

Now, there are many reasons why we went into Iraq.

Saddam was a sympathyzer of terrorists, giving 25G to families of Palistinian suicide bombers. It's only logical to conclude that he also funded and aided terrorists directly.

We had intel from defected Iraqi scientists saying that Saddam was fatally close to creating a nuke.

After our invasion, Syria decided to play nice, and let the inspectors back in.

Establishing another democracy (or the first one, depending on how you look at Isreal) in the MidEast could vital if we ever want to achieve peace.
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
I hate the amount of times the Bush adminstration uses "EVIL" when talking about Iraq.
No, no, no, NO! Thats not what he says.
Iraq, the county, is not evil. It was the leader, Saddam, who was an evil madman. Him and the terrorists he supported. The terrorists that are still doing their vile attacks. Not Iraq itself.
 

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From my point of you i say its good that US went and showed those bastards, some one should have, those Arabs think that just because they leave poorly and in lands no one needs, nothing can be taken away from them, go US take from poor, keep for yourselves.<------pure sarcasm
 

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Originally posted by Lights
No, no, no, NO! Thats not what he says.
Iraq, the county, is not evil. It was the leader, Saddam, who was an evil madman. Him and the terrorists he supported. The terrorists that are still doing their vile attacks. Not Iraq itself.
''Weapons of mass destruction including evil chemistry and evil biology are all matters of great concern, not only to the United States but also to the world community." Ashcroft said
We had intel from defected Iraqi scientists saying that Saddam was fatally close to creating a nuke.
lol
After our invasion, Syria decided to play nice, and let the inspectors back in.
So the U.S predicted this so they thought it would be a good reason to attack Iraq. = /
Saddam was a sympathyzer of terrorists, giving 25G to families of Palistinian suicide bombers. It's only logical to conclude that he also funded and aided terrorists directly.
So, because he gave money to some palistine families it must mean he was directly funding them... right....
I agree but I'd like to say that the Geneva Convention is a joke
So you don't care about all them mass graves of jews and polish that hitler created.
 

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For oil? People actually voted for that? We don't get much oil at all from Iraq...I think you kiddies are thinking of Iran...even without any of those middle-eastern countries, we can still find some..
 

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Oh boy...

The greatest military minds of all time have constantly said the same thing. The best way to secure peace, and sustain it, is to always be prepared for war. I would love it if pacifism worked, but, unfortunately, it doesn't. Iraq was a bad situation waiting to happen.

Our CIA said that there were weapons, but they didn't know where. UN Weapons Inspectors told the UN that there were weapons, and Saddam was hiding them. What did they get for their troubles? They got replaced. UN WI got the message that they'd best say nothing is in Iraq or lose their job. Hussien Saddam said he was in charge of nuclear researh, and he was ignored by the entire world. What did he get for his troubles? He was killed by his cousin's son, Uday Hussien.

How close was nuclear research to complete? That may be impossible to say. However, one defector, that we rescued from an Iraqi prison, said that telling Saddam Hussien that nuclear arms research was futile was thrown in jail.

I could have told you we would have opened diplomatic channels by showing our military muscle. "Rouge" nations are actually willing to sit down and talk rather than play games. Syria isn't the only country that decided it might be better to talk. There's also only been one major incursion since Bush was elected, in Haidi (sp?), and he's handling that properly. For once, we are not sending a huge force into a civil war, rather we are sending a small contingent to secure our facilities and safety of diplomats. How many incursions occured during Clinton's first year where he overextended forces? We are, now, in a more favorable position to open diplomatic doors and, hopefully, stop incursions from occuring.
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
''Weapons of mass destruction including evil chemistry and evil biology are all matters of great concern, not only to the United States but also to the world community." Ashcroft said
...ok...Whats your point? Are you agreeing with me...or... >.<

So, because he gave money to some palistine families it must mean he was directly funding them... right....
Err...yes? He gave money to the families of "suicide bombers." Meaning an initiative to do those attacks. He let the terrorists live publicaly in his country, meeting with them on regularity. Lets put 2 and 2 together, eh?
 

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...ok...Whats your point? Are you agreeing with me...or... >.<
Nah I'm juist saying that the bush administration uses the word "evil" WAY too much.
Err...yes? He gave money to the families of "suicide bombers." Meaning an initiative to do those attacks. He let the terrorists live publicaly in his country, meeting with them on regularity. Lets put 2 and 2 together, eh?
Pure speculation, it wouldn't be used as evidence in a court and I don't think it's a good enough reason to attack.

I found out that people guess that Iraq as something like 300 billion barrels of oil, that is 1/4 of the worlds supply, I'm not saying this was a primary motive but you gotta admit that must look appealing.
 

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Actually, Saddam's support of terrorist related activities is being put on trial. There are defectors that are aiding in building the prosecution.

As per oil, yes it was appealing. You can bet that that may well have been part of the final decision, but it's not just to "control" it. We want Iraq to be open to the world, so it's economy can recover and prosper which, in turn, helps our own, and the worlds, economy. It's all relative.
 

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Actually, Saddam's support of terrorist related activities is being put on trial. There are defectors that are aiding in building the prosecution.
Something smaller but similar involving anyone but saddam or osoma it wouldn't be classed as "real" evidence.
 

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