Thoughts on global warming.

[Hitsua]

I'm not a skeptic, but ice core samples don't go back to the begging of the Earth's existence, nor should patterns used to be determined anything.

 

[Jimbo]

anyone who denies that the GWT isn't a real threat has been living under a rock...in the last 5-10 years we've had some of the most extreme weather ever recorded ALL over the world, you wont have to look far for proof thereof...

I suppose...

But i mean, we're saying the world is being the hottest it's been, but the hottest temperature recorded has was back in the 1930's IIRC...

I'll get the source when i find it...

However, the record highest temperature ever measured in the U.S (134 degrees F at Death Valley, CA in July of 1913), and the hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere on the globe (136 F at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922) occurred well before global warming was a buzzword, and despite the recent series of warm years, globally, these records have not seriously threatened

eh, i was off 10 years, but still

 

[Metal Gear Flash]

i wasn't speaking about record highs in the world particularly ....but rather the recent abnormally hot years, i know that just locally in the last couple years there's been recorded highs in their specific areas...its subtle, but nothing WORLD specific is going to jump at us for a while i believe, and when it does it will be too late

 

[TrongaMonga]

I suppose...

But i mean, we're saying the world is being the hottest it's been, but the hottest temperature recorded has was back in the 1930's IIRC...

I'll get the source when i find it...




eh, i was off 10 years, but still

Hot spots <> overall increase in temeprature.

 

[Teh_Pwner]

Global Warming is natural climate change. 500 years ago you could grow grapes in England so don't tell me this shit doesn't happen naturally.

And even if it was man-caused, what will happen? California is covered by water? Ask me if I care!

 

[Metal Gear Flash]

maybe you will when all of california moves into wyoming...

 

[Ntrik_]

Too bad the world is run by coins and bills.

Global warming will never cease to get worsened, if the governments tried to do something about, then the first thing they will estimate is how much money they will lose or gain from doing it. Basically, effect in their economy.

We suck =/

 

[N[U]TS]

Too bad the world is run by coins and bills.

if the governments tried to do something about, then the first thing they will estimate is how much money they will lose or gain from doing it. Basically, effect in their economy.

We suck =/

yea i agree with that which is why little is being done about it. On a serious note, I dont believe enough research has been done on this whole global warming issue. If any money should be spent, it should be on research.

off topic:

I wish a few more refineries would go up so I wouldnt have to be paying so damn much for gas!

 

[Tipsy]

Too bad the world is run by coins and bills.

Global warming will never cease to get worsened, if the governments tried to do something about, then the first thing they will estimate is how much money they will lose or gain from doing it. Basically, effect in their economy.

We suck =/

*What exactly is wrong with taking the effect on the economy as a major factor in determining what should be done? *And why is that a reason that nothing will be done? Alternative energy is sought after by many people because of high gas prices (economy) and dependence on foreign countries (strategic). In the economy, things that are energy efficient and emit less CO2 is becoming more competitive with things that do not. *And finally, why should the government be what fights Global Warming? It seems the free market is moving in that direction because using less energy is simply more efficient and pursuing technology in R&D is considered a good investment. Special interest groups are affecting businesses and NGO's. Explain your reasoning to the three questions in this post marked by a "*".

 

[N[U]TS]

Alternative energy is sought after by many people because of high gas prices (economy) and dependence on foreign countries (strategic).

*Fact* we have have high gas prices because the united states has not built another refinery in years. I think the last one was built in 1976.

 

[TrongaMonga]

Fact: 3 dollars and some crap per gallon is nothing.

Seriously, if you guys are complaining, come to Europe, or the rest of the entire planet, and see what a non-oil addicted policy does to your gas prices.

 

[N[U]TS]

Fact: 3 dollars and some crap per gallon is nothing.

Seriously, if you guys are complaining, come to Europe, or the rest of the entire planet, and see what a non-oil addicted policy does to your gas prices.

Im thankful I dont have to pay those gas prices(found some site saying it cost $7 a gallon in amsterdam) . With the way things are going now, Im sure we will eventually get there. Its a shame... I use to pay $1.85/gallon when I first started to drive.

 

[Tipsy]

*Fact* we have have high gas prices because the united states has not built another refinery in years. I think the last one was built in 1976.

*Fact* We actually have roughly half the refinaries today than we did in 1976 (supply kept up by expansion of current refinaries) because of federal government regulation makes it so incredibly costly to even get approval to build a refinary.

*Fact* Due to the demand for alternative fuels oil corporations have publically stated that it is too risky to build more refinaries.

*Fact* For roughly every 10 cents an oil corporation makes from selling gas the government collects (on state and federal levels) roughly 40 cents (changing very slightly based on which state one lives in). There's an even higher tax on gas in Europe as noted by Tronga.


It's either choose complaining about Global Warming or gas prices. Environmental regulations + demand for alternative fuels make it less likely for refinaries to be built and in turn gas prices to go down. (This is just a general statement, not pointed at you.)

 

[AZN_FLEA]

wow. havent been to this palce in a long time.

metallic buildings, cars, bla bla bla, they are all a VERY SMALL part of the "global warming" process. the earth has been becoming warmer for quite a while now. there is no way we can stop it. and about the part on the greenhouse gas: yeah i ****ed up my message there, i meant that the additional greenhouse gas accounts for nothing and thus i said its nothing but i meant it accounts for nothing so meh.

seriously, CO2 emissions are the least of our worries. instead of the global warming bullshit (AHEM KYOTO PROTOCOL) we should be worrying about pollution. man never took part in the global warming process, never has. the increase in CO2 emissions are NOTHING. remember what i said about volcanos? someone said the emissions are recycled. but recycling such a large amount of poisonous greenhouse gas emissions? without the global temp. rising? if the earth can recycle that then it can definitely recycle the measly CO2 emissions we pour into the air.

the stuff about CFCs and ozone layer destorying shit, i agree with.

and al gore actually cares for our future? hahahahahaha. has that ****er EVER contributed to ANY kind of charity? i might be wrong but i can almost guarantee, his mouth and his intentions do not lie in the same place. it makes me angry to see so many people follow after retards like him. mislead...

pessimistic as it may seem, our future has never been too bright. materialism is destroying our society. our society is falling apart morally. pollution has been rotting the earth since 1800s. most countrys that are economically developed have almost no babies. the feritility rate in the US is barely over 2. just enough to replace the population but take into account all the deaths and accidents your population is crumbling apart. ageing population is basically gg'ing us. the 3rd world countries will capitalise and industrialise at an aggressive rate like we did and destory the environment in the process.

once again pollution> us. our future is ****ed up. face it. its inevitable.

 

[Гражданин СССР]

the popular idea is tat USA is polluting the earth and is knocking the balance of nature. The earth is getting warmer due to this and is going to be uninhabitable by te year 2100 or 2050 or something like that.

This isn't just about US this is about every nation on earth and Al Gore's movie has impacted people all over the globe. US however is the largest emitter of CO2 in the world.

the GW theory was brouht about by the failed president candidate, AL GORE. he knows...twat about science. the GWT is an ill thought out teory. the gas emissions from cars are causing the balance of nature to tilt? rofl.

Firstly, the global warming theory was around long before Al Gore started his movement. As for the rest of your statement, you're a fool, he knows much more about science then you do, watch his movie. Hell I know much more about science then you do.

bigger volcanic eruptions exhude more poisonous, more deadly, more thick gas emmisions than we have in recorded history. in fact, volcanos give out so much gas emissions that they dwarf the amount of gas emissions we can EVER HOPE TO ACHIEVE under 200 years.

Can I get a source? Nature has a way of balancing itself, the human contribution of CO2 are a disbalance, it is the same as your liver, it produces alcohol on its own and is fine, but if you drink liquor or beer your liver will suffer and eventually fail.

also, how do you suppose the ice from the ice ages melt out? there were no cars and SUVs in the ice age. this isnt certain but dinosaurs are very unlikely to invent cars and drivearound in them. the earth governs its balance and the GWT fails miserably. we are much less significant in the workkings of the earth than we think (exclude pollution).

Well, dinosaurs took SUV size craps daily, plus the meteorite fell that was the result of the ice age that brought an end to them, it took many years for the earth to fix the disbalance created by that meteorite. Btw, the hole in the ozone layer above the south pole is growing and growing.

there are many many theories opposing te GWT, they just dont have the power to surface because of AL GORES superior media influence. go to youtube and search te user UTNOW. hes got a video on global warming. i found this while browsing for 'warming up your house' lol.

Hmm...Im sure some guy on youtube has all the facts and Al Gore with his infinite resources doesn't. Its not like he is making money of of this, he is already rich, he is donating all his profits from his movie to his foundation.

btw, we havent even used half the amount of petrol on the earth yet. we have plenty of time left to find other solutions.

The estimate is that petrol will be gone by 2030, but thats not the point, the climate will start getting unlivable by 2025.

ALGORE YOU ****ING LOSER. YOU FAIL AT SCIENCE.

No sir, you fail.

 

[TrongaMonga]

An interesting video everyone in the world should see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8cmWZOX8Q

Don't mind the subtitles, that was in a conference in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and the video's from the local TV. Portuguese subtitles

Still, I'm pretty sure you can all understand her, as she speaks english.

 

[Static]

Saying US is in the commanding seat for blame seems logical... but I am sure cherynobl ****ed a lot of shit up.

But I am less worried about global warming.... My real worry for 50-75 years down the road is the moon.

The moon in itself regulates out planets temperature, oceanic tides, and keeps our seasons in check. But through science we have discovered that year by year our moon is slowly leaving us. Albeit a very very small bit, an inch a year I believe, But once it leaves at a certain distance our whole Orbit and rotation is going to be thrown for a loop.

What happens in 75 maybe 100 years when the moon is far enough for the earth to make a grand enough tilt, over time mind you, to where our polar caps are in Direct line of the sun, visa ve our equator.

While this is a very very Rash theory it it happening at a very slow rate.... It would indeed take 100+ years for our axis to tilt to a noticeable degree but our climate will def be changing before of it just because of our Climate fluxuations.

 

[N[U]TS]

An interesting video everyone in the world should see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8cmWZOX8Q

Don't mind the subtitles, that was in a conference in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and the video's from the local TV. Portuguese subtitles

Still, I'm pretty sure you can all understand her, as she speaks english.

A very interesting video. I enjoyed listening to the part of where she was talking about the poor children and how they had no food to eat. It just makes you realize how the world has become so needy and how people rely on agriculture to put food in stores so they can use currency to eat. On another note a lot of people don’t even know how to prepare a lot of foods. In America it is nothing more than microwave dinners and Restaurants. Technology really has corrupted mankind.

Thank you for that video TrongaMonga.

 

[TrongaMonga]

Saying US is in the commanding seat for blame seems logical... but I am sure cherynobl ****ed a lot of shit up.

But I am less worried about global warming.... My real worry for 50-75 years down the road is the moon.

The moon in itself regulates out planets temperature, oceanic tides, and keeps our seasons in check. But through science we have discovered that year by year our moon is slowly leaving us. Albeit a very very small bit, an inch a year I believe, But once it leaves at a certain distance our whole Orbit and rotation is going to be thrown for a loop.

What happens in 75 maybe 100 years when the moon is far enough for the earth to make a grand enough tilt, over time mind you, to where our polar caps are in Direct line of the sun, visa ve our equator.

While this is a very very Rash theory it it happening at a very slow rate.... It would indeed take 100+ years for our axis to tilt to a noticeable degree but our climate will def be changing before of it just because of our Climate fluxuations.

Sorry mate, but I think that theory is a lots of bollocks.

The moon's fine now, it's not by moving an inch per year that in 75 years we're dead. That's 75 inches.

It's like saying a cell fell out of an orange, and now it's going to be rotten.

 

[Static]

Bollocks... why yes... but with that happening plus the global warming It won't be nice.

Personally Human existence will probably be whipped out by the time our axis starts tipping at a rate where it will be catastrophic