The Real Hitler

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1) This post is very long.
2) This post is not in anyway meant to insult anyone.
3) Please read the whole thing if you bother to post.
4) Thanks for your time.

The Roots of Hitler's Push Into WW2:

Under the terms of the armistice, the German Army was allowed to remain intact and was not forced to admit defeat by surrendering. The failure to force the German General Staff (their government) to admit defeat did in itself start the push to WW2. Although the German Army was reduced in size, it created its' own party as a political force dedicated to German nationalism, not the democracy forced upon the Germans. The majority of the German people supported the idea that the army had not been defeated on the battlefield and could have fought on to victory. They all believed that they were betrayed in Berlin by their own government. The 'Stab in the Back' belief being popular among many Germans who found it impossible to admit defeat. Hitler was obsessed with this idea, laying blame on Jews and Marxists in Germany for undermining the war effort.

Germany's people have little interest and basically no expereince in democracy turned their government into political turmoil. To add on top of this problem was when the Treaty of Versailles was signed. The terms of the treaty forced Germany to accept sole responsibility for causing the war and had to pay huge war reparations for all the damage. Germany also had to give up land to France and Poland. These terms humiliated Germany in front of every nation in the world. This humiliation led to a desire in many Germans, including Hitler, to have their nation's "shackles of the treaty" removed.

Main Points of this section:
1) Germany had humiliating terms forced upon them
2) Germany's government was in complete turmoil
3) Germany's economy was the worst industrialized nation's economy in the world.

Hitler's Economic Miracle:

As said above "Germany's economy was the worst industrialized nation's economy in the world". Hitler was able to take a broken and defeated nation with a useless currency and bring it out of the Great Depression. On top of this, he did it while spending less than 6% of the German budget on military uses (prior to 1938). After WW2 the media say that Hitler performed his economic miracle by "militarizing" the German economy, but this cannot possibly be true. Their is one main problem with this, militarizing an economy does not help an economy. This has been proven before in the failed Keynesian government. The Keynes believed that the government could stimulate the economy by spending more. The problem with that theory is that, in order for the government to spend more, it must also tax more, and thus government spending is generally a zero-sum proposition.

The foundations of Hitler’s mircale in the German economy were two fold. One foundation was currency reform. In 1933, the German currency was essentially worthless. It was not backed by gold causing the worthlessness of their currency. Furthermore, there was no gold left in Germany in order to back a new currency. This made it impossible for Germany to be brought into the banking system that was based on the gold standard. What Hitler did was unprecedented because he used a type of commodity other than gold, not because gold was not preferable, but because Germany's gold had been stolen through the terms of the treaty during World War I.

But the stabilization of the currency was only one of two foundations of Hitler's economic miracle. The second foundation was decentralization of the ownership of property through a system of criminal penalties for exploiters and the creation of the work camp system. The National Socialism encouraged the ownership of private property and the private ownership of factories, while attacking only those capitalist institutions that injured the peasants of Germany. In practice, this meant that properties which had been seized or bought up by largely Jewish real estate speculators during the Depression period were sold back to or returned to their original owners. The Jewish capitalist speculators were compensated for their property through no interest loans from the government for the original land owner. The National Socialist government took land from the monopoly banking interests and gave it to the peasantry as the peasant's own, encouraging the peasant to farm it and profit from it, and requesting only that a share of the profit necessary to repay their interest free government loan be turned over to the government.

The National Socialist government did not demand collectivization. Instead, it stated that factories were not permitted to exploit their workers, and placed a slew of social responsibilities onto factory owners, instituting and regulating unions in all the factories. The strongest legal tools the Germans had against factory owners were the right to seize temporary control over a factory if the factory owner was not treating his workers properly, and only for the purpose of reforming the industry's policies to create a sort of private social welfare policy that was required by law. There was no direct government control of industry.

In banking, the German government prohibited the practice of usury, and prohibited the mortgaging of property. Thus, by nullifying existing mortgages, and eliminating consumer credit debts that had been accumulated during the depression, the German government immediately decentralized wealth from the control of the bankers and placed it directly into the hands of the German people. Note the economic growth that resulted from this directly contradicts the free market theories that states: "...the accumulation of wealth by a monopoly is a result of the superior economic efficient of that monopoly".

Now the work-camp system, and the system of criminal punishments enacted for economic crimes, is the most disputed aspect of this system, but it is also the most necessary. A worker who didn't produce x amount of corn, for an example, on their corn farm could be arrested and sent to a labor camp. Under the National Socialist system, the arrest of workers for failure to produce was unprecedented. Instead, National Socialist prosecution of economic crimes focused on those who earned their living without working. In particular, land speculators, usurious bankers, and those who made their living profiting from vice were the primary targets of work camps; not surprisingly, these three populations were almost entirely Jewish. Failure to obey the restrictions of the Nuremburg Laws, which segregated Jews from the rest of society and forbid them to work in education, the media, politics, or sensitive economic activities, was a strong second cause of incarceration. There was, however, no general arrest of Jews, nor any law ordering 'all Jew’ to be placed in work camps, as the general talk of "Holocaust" propaganda. National Socialist Germany was a nation of laws, and Jews who were imprisoned were imprisoned because their actions, not their persons, violated those laws. Further, more than 2/3rds of the "liberated" from these camps after the Allied/Soviet occupation were re-incarcerated by the Allies and the Soviets for criminal offenses after the occupation. Savitri Devi, who spent time in an Allied prison after the war, notes that the majority of people in the Allied prison were Jews who were criminals and who had served time in labor camps under National Socialism.

So, after the National Socialist government had compensated the Jewish land speculators for their property and redistributed it to those Germans who had owned it before the Depression, a large portion of the Jewish population had been unhappy with receiving just compensation for their property, and had attempted to circumvent the law by continuing to own more property than the law allowed any person to own. These Jews were arrested for the economic crime of speculation, which was essentially for failing to work in a productive manner for a living, and instead choosing to live by stealing from and exploiting the poor. After the German government banned all people from engaging in usury, many Jews, rather than going to work for a living, continued to loan money to the peasantry at exorbitant rates, and live off the interest. They too were arrested and charged with exploitation of the poor.
Jews also dominated the abortion industry, and a very large number of the Jewish female populations of the German camps were abortionists. In Germany every child was loved, and every child had an economic future, and thus there was no excuse for abortion. Similarly, the kinds of Jews who today dominate the international child pornography trade, and who run white slavery rings through Israel from Russia and the Eastern European nations would have been arrested in Germany for exploitation of the poor.

Summary:
Hitler's economic miracle was based on solid ground. First, there was a reform of the currency through the fixing of commodity prices on the international marker, and second, there was an abolition of those economic activities which tend to create class divisions and centralize the ownership of wealth and property in the hands of a few.

These being the truths about the National Socialist system it was superior to both the current social-democratic globalist system, and the Judaeo- Bolshevik alternative. This is one reason for Germany's massive 'rebirth' from "the worst industrialized nation's economy in the world" to the most powerful and productive in the world in under 5 years.

Note: This won Hitler the "Man of the Year.
 

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The Holocaust:

As read above, there are many reasons for the Jewish peoples to hate the Nazis. The German government was taking away their land and giving it back to the peasants that had it with only getting a interest free loan. The importance of this will be explained later. As for the mass killing of Jewish prisoners, this was not just a "find the Jews and kill them" system. Repeat offenders of the new German laws above were killed and the Jews who refused to work once in the work camp. The Jewish people believed in the capitalist style of economy and continued trying to work in one even though the economy had basically become anti-capitalist. On top of this, the Jewish people were being killed for doing that. The importance of this to the Jews is as follows. The covenant between the Jewish people and God were "land flowing with milk and honey" and "your descendants shall be as numerous as the stars in the sky". In simple terms, it was land and children. Their land which they believed to be their by their covenant with God was being taken away from them and their themselves being killed for trying to accumulate more land.

As the Jewish fleeing Europe came to the United States they went into the businesses, which they had dominated in Germany. The most important of these is the media. As the war went on, and even after it ended facts became more and more exaggerated. The overall number of Jews was roughly 6,000,000. This can be proved wrong in two ways. The first is when looking through the German archives the number of Jews to be killed was less than one million. On top of this, the actual number of bodies found was far less than one million. These facts alone move the amount of Jews killed to less than 1,000,000. Continuing, the people in this 1,000,000 were not all Jews. It was not a "Jewish" work camp, it was for all people who did not meet the economic standards put upon the German people in law. So these 1,000,000 people cannot even be proved to all be Jewish. Am I saying that people liked Jews in Germany? No. The feeling towards Jews is how the American population feels today about Arabs.

Also just to point out, the Germans were not the only people who were killing "non-soldiers" during WW2. If your whole argument about Hitler and Nazis are evil is because they killed innocent people than you should be saying the same thing about the USSR and the USA. In the USSR, Stalin was obviously killing his own citizens. The United States killed innocent civilians in Japan. The United States killed innocents with the atomic bomb in Japan. The statistics the overall death caused by the atomic bomb is staggering. Altogether, the two bombings killed an estimated 110,000 Japanese citizens and injured another 130,000. By 1950, another 230,000 were killed due to radiation. The radiation also caused massive decrease in birthrate from 1945 – 1950 to babies that did not even exist at the time the atomic bombs were dropped.

So, if you say that Hitler and the Nazis are evil or completely wrong, you should say the same thing about Stalin and the USSR and Truman and the United States.

Edit: This is probably important and unknown so I'll add it.

The Jewish Holocaust "propoganda" started in 1900, not 1940, not 1945, in One-Nine-Zero-Zero (1900).
Proof:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/Image200.gif
This shows more propoganda of a WORLD WAR I holocaust.

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/Image201.gif
Gas chamber propoganda from 1916

The question is basically the following: Since when do we know that Six Million Jews died during the Holocaust of World War Two? Just a few minutes ago I mentioned proof of less than 1,000,000 Jewish deaths. German mainstream Historian Hoffmann as the first to use Holocaust revisionist arguments. He also discovered that the Soviets used the Six Million Figure in their propaganda publications already as early as December 1944, at a time when nobody could possibly know the death toll yet. Heddesheimer has unearthed many articles mainly published in the New York Times between the End of World War One and 1927, which claim that at that time millions of Jews in Eastern Europe would face catastrophe by starvation and disease if they would not receive massive aid. Words like Holocaust, Six Million, and extermination were all there. The most striking example, which is known already for quite a while, was published in the October 31 issue of the magazine The American Hebrew in 1919 by Martin H. Glynn, who had been governor of the State of New York at the end of World War One. In this article we read sentences like these:

"From across the sea, six million men and women call to us for help [...] six million human beings. [...] Six million men and women are dying [...] in the threatened holocaust of human life [...] six million famished men and women. Six million men and women are dying [...]"

Heddesheimer also proves that these claims were all fraudulent. He even shows that as early as 1900 Zionists claimed that six million suffering Jews in Europe would be a good argument for Zionism.

You see, Holocaust is much older than World War Two, Hitler, and Nazis. To make people realize this is such an eye opener that after such a revelation. Most people will accept the possibility that things may have been made up.

Another series parallel to a century of almost uninterrupted Holocaust propaganda is that related to gas chambers. Let me show you two newspaper articles about this. The first one was published in the British Daily Telegraph on March 22, 1916, page 7, that is, in the middle of World War One. It reads:

"According to reliable information, the victims of the Austrians and Bulgarians exceeded 700,000. [...] Women, children, and old men were shut up in the churches by the Austrians, and either stabbed with bayonet or suffocated by means of asphyxiating gas."

It is today generally acknowledged that this was a propaganda lie created by the British. Now juxtapose this with an article that appeared in the very same London Daily Telegraph on June 25, 1942, p. 5, that is, five days before the Jewish owned and controlled New York Times reported about the alleged mass murder of Jews in German controlled Europe for the first time:

"GERMANS MURDER 700,000 JEWS IN POLAND.

TRAVELLING GAS CHAMBERS. [...]

More than 700,000 Polish Jews have been slaughtered by the Germans in the greatest massacre in world history. [...]"

Now, if you think that it is obviously that nobody would make such outrageous claims about what is going on in any country today, I have to teach you another quite astounding lesson: Let me bring up only two examples from a war that took place in 1991, almost 50 years after the second holocaust propaganda started. It is about America's first war against Iraq to drive Iraqi troops out of Kuwait. The New York based Jewish Press, then calling itself "The largest independent Anglo-Jewish weekly newspaper," wrote on its title page on February 21, 1991:

"IRAQIS HAVE GAS CHAMBERS FOR ALL JEWS"

Or take the front cover announcement of volume 12, number 1 (spring 1991), of Response, a periodical published by the Jewish Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles and distributed in 381,065 copies:

"GERMANS PRODUCE ZYKLON B IN IRAQ"

(Iraq's German-made gas chamber)
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/Image203.gif
Newspaper with gas chamber.

I hope that you get the idea: 1900, 1916, 1927, 1942, 1991...

In 1991, it was all invented, for sure, as were the later claims prior to America's second war against Iraq in 2003 that Iraq possessed or was about to possess weapons of mass destruction - the weapon of mass destruction called "Zyklon B" not being mentioned here, though. But as Israel's renowned newspaper Ha'aretz proudly proclaimed on April 7, 2003.

"The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history."

And just recently, on May 21, 2004, Senator Fritz Hollings has proudly proclaimed that of course this war was fought for Israel and for nothing else. Because, as we all know, the Jews in Israel deserve preventive protection from annihilation by weapons of mass destruction - Zyklon B or not, invented or not.

With just these arguments at hand, you've got to rethink what the media has implanted in your mind about the "The Holocaust," you can go out there and open people's mind, to make them see that maybe not quite all claims referring to events between 1941 and 1945 are completely true either. Maybe you can believe there is a chance after all that things were twisted, distorted, exaggerated, invented.

Note: Sorry for double post, hit character per post limit.
 

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i didnt read all of your post(s) tipsy, but did u know that hitler was a fairly good artist?
 

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he tried but was turned down. then he went into WW1 after that he organized a protest and was nearly shot. after that "jewish ppl did this" invades poland, begins WW2. thne attacked russia, then america came in. he loses and shots himself in the head and bites a scinide pill
 

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Please read the whole thing if you bother to post.
Mind being respectful, guys?
 

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Very nice arguement, you have done your research well.


I dont have much of anything to add, nor anything really to detract. I would just say that, even if the number killed was 'only' (funny saying "only") 1,000,000, it was still a terrible tragedy. Killing off citizens, whether Jews or not, for not following your governmental plans is quite rough. It was a system that did have hate towards the Jews and was mistreating them profusely. It was a system that needed to (and was) be thrown down.

And yes for all countries involved in that war and others, killing citizens was just something done. The Allies and Axis both took part in it, which is sad. However, mass genocide of numbers reaching a million is beyond "reasonable" or acceptable in war(*Note - I dont think killing civilians is acceptable ever, but it is something that happens)

The Atomic bomb was terrible. We were using our last resort. Without using it, the war could have gone on for many more years. You could call it a "quick fix", I suppose. I am not going to stand totally behind the validity of using it, but the bomb did carry out its purpose-- ending the war quickly.


And finally, to the comparison of the Gulf War/Operation Iraqi Freedom, there isnt really a comparison. Whoever said these wars were for the Jews is foolish. Yes, it did help them out, but by no means was it for them. Once again, civilians have been killed and will be killed, but we are not killing them on purpose. They are wartime casualties.
 

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I dont have much of anything to add, nor anything really to detract. I would just say that, even if the number killed was 'only' (funny saying "only") 1,000,000, it was still a terrible tragedy. Killing off citizens, whether Jews or not, for not following your governmental plans is quite rough. It was a system that did have hate towards the Jews and was mistreating them profusely. It was a system that needed to (and was) be thrown down.
People are still killed today for not following the government's plans (laws). From above I don't see how it has hate towards Jews, I just see that the Jews refused to change from the capitalist positions they held. The majority of the Jewish population in Germany was in a pro-capitalistic business. And as I said above, it was not only Jews that went into the work camps, it was anyone who did not meet the amount of whatever they were producing. Were there laws in place that made exceptions to this such as natural disasters and such, yes. If anyone did a honest work they could get their job done, but many refused to change their easy life styles of leeching off the poor. Was killing civilians that did not benefit the society a bit extreme? Yes. Did it work? The 1938 - 1943 Germany was one of the strongest economies in recorded history.

And yes for all countries involved in that war and others, killing citizens was just something done. The Allies and Axis both took part in it, which is sad. However, mass genocide of numbers reaching a million is beyond "reasonable" or acceptable in war(*Note - I dont think killing civilians is acceptable ever, but it is something that happens)
If you didn't get it from what I said above, the Holocaust wasn't genocide. The people killed at work camps were any civilian who refused to work at the work camp and/or is a repeat offender of a crime in society. The 1,000,000 number isn't 1,000,000 Jews, it is 1,000,000 civilians. The point to this is that it wasn't genocide.

Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

but the bomb did carry out its purpose-- ending the war quickly.
The killing of civilians not beneficial to society served it's purpose as well -- making the strongest economy the world has ever seen.

And finally, to the comparison of the Gulf War/Operation Iraqi Freedom, there isnt really a comparison. Whoever said these wars were for the Jews is foolish. Yes, it did help them out, but by no means was it for them.
That is what I'm saying exactly. Those were quotes from newspapers in Israel. They keep continuing to use propoganda to their advantage.

Once again, civilians have been killed and will be killed, but we are not killing them on purpose. They are wartime casualties
Truman had the same choice as Hitler did, just different causes. Hitler killed civilians to create a strong German economy. Truman wanted to 'quick fix' the war.

Hitler killed less than 1,000,000
Truman killed roughly 340,000 and injured another 130,000. On top of that he decreased the birthrate in nearby areas to the atomic bombs.

Edit: Just one more point to add in, it wasn't Hitler who started the anti-semitism in German, it started way before he was in politics.
 

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That took me 21minutes to read O-o;
But Very good argument...hmm
 

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I didnt feel like quoting, so Ill just make a couple more points. :O



Having and enforcing laws is a little different than what was going on back then.
More similarly would be getting killed for not voting or not paying taxes. All I was saying is that it was rough, not necessarily unbeneficial.

I never said the genocide was specifically against the Jews, just genodice in general. Which it was.. in a way. Though I suppose "mass killing" would be more correct.

Aye, the killing seemed to have helped the economy (though an influential leader and strong national cooperation was the main reason), but you cant kill your own people to help the economy..

Finally, the difference between what Hitler and Truman did, was Hitler killed people to kill more people(war), whereas Truman killed people to stop the killing(end the war). Though I cant say either was "good". Killing civilians is never good.
 

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Please give references to the German logs that only account for 1,000,000 executions. Of course, if the logs said otherwise, where did Germany put the other 5,000,000 bodies (more like 9-11 million)? They cremated them! (note that most approximations account for 10-12 million deaths, half of which being jews)

Your 1919 Holocaust article: You need to understand that in the early 20th century, just as in the centuries before, it was not uncommon for Jewish people to be discriminated against (ever heard of Dreyfus?) and/or to live in poor conditions, especially after a war tore Europe apart. This article seems to be talking about Jewish people living in poverty, not ones that are being systematically executed. Hell, this article doesn't even specifically talk about Germany. (after a quick glance)

Your 1916 Gas Chamber article: Propoganda, perhaps (got proof of that?), but, again, it has nothing to do with Germany. This article talks about Austria and Bulgaria commiting attrocities in Serbia.

Now, are you saying that because similar attrocities occured elsewhere before they happened in Germany that it was, therefore, impossible for them to happen there? That's the dumbest "logic" I've ever heard. Besides, it's not like the camps were all destroyed. You can take a tour through them even today and look at the gas chambers they had. Why would they have them if they weren't going to use them? Just to look pretty?

You also fail to take into account the sharp decline in the Jewish population of Europe in World War 2. You're also trying to say that the thousands/millions of people who survived the camps are lying.

Now, let's see. Germany has this bad reputation for the halocaust, but "German mainstream Historian Hoffmann" thinks otherwise! Certainly no bias there. :rolleyes
 

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Tispy, that was a hell of a eye opener and I enjoyed reading it all. The germans were very hospitable where order could be kept. I am sure there were some off record killings but still it is way off the propaganda people still believe to this date.
I would just say that, even if the number killed was 'only' (funny saying "only")
It's just like thinking you have won more than 5 more million more than you have then saying you have only won a million. There were only one sixth of the people killed in the bullshit holocaust you learn about in school and they were normal people not all of one race.

Lights people got killed because they wanted to live like a parasite, they didn't want to work, they refused to work. The government punished the people who abused the system and sent them to labour camps, then if they refuse to work and repeat (not mistakes) crimes they will the punishment neccessary to make Germany the economic giant it was back then. The killings wern't done all at once, I would guess the people America have excuted in the past mounts up to more than 1 million. Read what genocide means again, it can't really be general.
He might of not been planning a war at that stage, he just wanted Germany to be prosperous for the majority of people to feel happier. Truman based his actions on what you Japaneese could of done and ifs and bullshit like that. The killings were based on facts.
 

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ORC-r0x0r-ROC said:
It's just like thinking you have won more than 5 more million more than you have then saying you have only won a million. There were only one sixth of the people killed in the bullshit holocaust you learn about in school and they were normal people not all of one race.
I said it like that being that one million deaths is hardly an "only". Yes it would be much less, however I found it quite ironic.


Lights people got killed because they wanted to live like a parasite, they didn't want to work, they refused to work. The government punished the people who abused the system and sent them to labour camps, then if they refuse to work and repeat (not mistakes) crimes they will the punishment neccessary to make Germany the economic giant it was back then. The killings wern't done all at once, I would guess the people America have excuted in the past mounts up to more than 1 million. Read what genocide means again, it can't really be general.
Erm.. so you are saying there is no difference between what they did and what the average slacker/homeless person does in America today? So, would it be alright to kill them off just for economic progress? I dont think you would say yes, but that is what they did back then. Not something to be praised.

As for genocide, it is killing. Perhaps "general genocide" is contradictory, but you still know what I was saying.

No, America hasnt even come CLOSE to executing one million people. That is beyond absurd. There have been around 20,000 since 1600[Source] But Ill even give you the benefit of the doubt and say 25,000, just to cover those that werent recorded. Absurd.


He might of not been planning a war at that stage, he just wanted Germany to be prosperous for the majority of people to feel happier. Truman based his actions on what you Japaneese could of done and ifs and bullshit like that. The killings were based on facts.
Hitler was intent on German world domination from the start of his political career. As soon as his economy was strong enough, he laid out his plans. He hated the Jews, denying that is stupid. Japanese ifs? Hardly. They had long since proven their capabilites on the battlefield.
 

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Well, I would've thought you would've killed more than that meh. The witch trials included? But that should amount to much more. Ok, it was harsh but if you wasn't a ashole and did the work ect you would've been let off. Well, Hitler had a lot of good Jewish friends a Jew presented him a medal, they were more of a scape goat. Just like osama and the rest of them are to Bush. I find it surprising you haven't excuted more, but hell Americas a boy compared to cultures like China ect. It was harsh what they did, but cultures are getting too civilised for there own good in cases, we seem to be more reluctant to give out benefits than accept taxes. Give them a couple of chances to get a job or work, if they don't just cut their payments. Portugal is good for that. You are shunned for not working you cannot go cafe's ect because they know you haven't earned the money. It is like familys in the 1950s.
Not excusing Germany but harsher is better in a lot of cases. What they told you was bullshit, it was bullshit to weaken there maral and help yours now it is being mistaken for truth. And has been for a while. Propaganda isn't new, just more widespread and can easily be mistaken so in reality the 'bad guys' are really not what they are portrayed as, we can't trust much of anything anymore more but also now we have people who try to infiltrate and prove these lies to be well, lies.
 

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When people say Hitler was a genius you they usually get shot for it. Alot of people don't know he was time's man of the year In 38(pretty sure it was 38). That and how he got germany out of a depression. Its just all smack cause he killed a few people.





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Please give references Tipsy. That is considered plagarism.

I enjoyed reading all of it, I'm a huge WW2 fan when it comes to reading about it, the strategies and technology used, etc, but it really does irk me when I copy a sentence from someone's essay, and come to find it isn't original, nor was it given credit where credit was deserved.
 

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Senator Fritz Hollings
This guy needs to seriously die. I wouldn't listen to a thing he says. Other than that, I wouldn't really have much to say.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

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Hitler did increase the economy like crazy, this is true. He was good at "giving people what they wanted". People in general hated (and more or less, still do) Jews, possibly Hitler was giving them what they wanted? The guy was both a genious and a madman at the same time. Killing people needlessly cannot be ignored under any circumstances. Vash from Trigun has taught us that!
 

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I've read rant like this before as well as heard it. The underlying theme of the article seems to be that Hitler was a genius, Jews were/are evil, and that there is a vast conspiracy to inflate the number of people killed in the holocaust.

What I type from this point on will do little from this point onward to convince the starter of this thread that he or she is wrong, but I continue anyway because I am compelled to.

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You point out that people who did not produce enough food on their land were sent to labor camps. I see no mention of blights, droughts, or pests ruining crops. This in reality does happen, and a system based on required yearly yield is irrational. High profits from high yields would according to a capitalist system be all the incentive a farmer needs for growing more crops. Also logically a farmer would want to support their family. A system that does not allow for off years is inherently flawed.

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Stating that there were not 6 million deaths because German records said there were less is nothing less than absurd. A government involved in mass murder would obviously not want there to be records of it. This would become especially true as it became apparent that Germany would lose the war and that people would be held accountable for their crimes. To put it simply, criminals will try to destroy evidence of their crime.

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The excuse that one atrocity is okay, or less of an atrocity just because others have been committed is flawed. If you take 100 child molesters and line them up in the order in which they committed their crimes this does nothing to reduce the evil that they have committed. If you line up 100 killers you again do nothing to reduce the atrocities that each individual killer has done.
If you tell a jury that it is okay that you have killed a man because many men have been killed you will still go to jail.
The holocaust was evil, and what’s more every individual murder based upon ethnic cleansing was evil individually. The dropping of the atom bomb was an atrocity as well as was each life taken in vain. Neither act justifies the other both are travesties in their own right.

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Blaming the unwise actions of the Bush administration on Jews is more than a bit silly. I find that our current president may have been effected a little more than he should have been by his fathers history with Iraq’s former leader more likely than some vast zionist conspiracy to get them darn Islamists.
There is of course the obvious economic impact on certain companies affiliated with the high ups in our country’s leadership as well.
 

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Tipsy have you read Mein Kampf?
Jews were killed because for the most part the jews owned the banks and were blamed for the depression. Hitler himself was a psuedo-capatalist. He hated the Communist russians, and raised his army from mostlly aristocratic peoples, who did not lose their money when he came to power. He was like Mussolini he believed in private ownership.

When people say Hitler was a genius you they usually get shot for it
Hitler was a brilliant speaker, he was by no means a genius. There was a reason he was never promoted in 4 years of ww1 past corp. He for the most part is why germany lost the war, had he listened to Rommel he would have totally ****ed us in the ass on D-Day, and had he not decided to open another front in Russia (breaking a treaty and in winter no less) he would have won. Hitler made the two of the worst decisons war has ever seen and lost it because of it
 

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Hitler was a brilliant speaker, he was by no means a genius. There was a reason he was never promoted in 4 years of ww1 past corp. He for the most part is why germany lost the war, had he listened to Rommel he would have totally ****ed us in the ass on D-Day, and had he not decided to open another front in Russia (breaking a treaty and in winter no less) he would have won. Hitler made the two of the worst decisons war has ever seen and lost it because of it
I was giving him his genius title by his amazing skills at war. But it only started really coming to a halt when he started to rock down on the Meth and all his other drugs. He did mess up when he didn't listen to Rommel. He also passed a chance to take over egypt where he would of had great supplies of Oil and good of possibly turned around like that. And like you said he was retarded for attacking Russia.

There was another instense where he could of stomped England had he followed all of the men rowwing (across the lake from france to england) back to england. I have a book "how Hitler could have won WW2" he messed up many a time.
 

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