Terrorists point of view

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Yes all terrorist organisations believe that wreaking havoc is for completely no reason but to be evil. Yes all terrorists are muslims and would enjoy killing of your friends if they could we should all join the Army to destroy all terrorists. Really, we have all heard this random shit before but what is their point of view? What were they thinking on the glorious day of 9/11 and how will they remember it?

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[Darkmatter]

I think a lot of that has to do with American's actions during the decades before this one. The Shah of Iran would be a good example, trying to change Iran to sub-american ways, and disturbing the natural balance of ctheir culture, really pissed them off. I think all the middle eastern hate for American's is based on American's actions, weither it be The Gulf War, or when the U.S. backed Israel during that small war against the Arabs or whatever that was. But thats just me.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Yeah they really focuse there hate on America, I heard about a load of dutch replacing American soldiers having to write "netherlands" in arabic on their trucks and had to explain to the locals that they wern't American. I think the hate is because of the more recent actions of Bush. (Pretty much throughout his reign, I hope he only lasts one term.)

 

[AZN_FLEA]

f**king terrorists should go burn in hell. but they would be feeling pretty sour. they r religous extremists, they got beliefs and they follow it with great zeal and faith. they have nothing to lose but life. they r a strong enemy.

 

[Iliaran]

Yes all terrorists are muslims

I'd love to see you try and justify that. Islam in no way condones the actions of terrorists. In fact, the term 'muslim terrorist' (used by the media all too frequently) is somewhat self contradictory. You can't be a 'muslim' AND a 'terrorist' at the same time.

I think all the middle eastern hate for American's

have you EVER been in the middle east? I LIVE in the middle east (Abu Dhabi, UAE). All that 'arabs hate americans!' stuff is a load of BS.

they r religous extremists

Correction, terrorists are a bunch of dumbasses who USE religion to justify their actions.


oh, and need I remind you lot that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter? It all depends on your perspective...

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Yes all terrorists are muslims

I'd love to see you try and justify that. Islam in no way condones the actions of terrorists. In fact, the term 'muslim terrorist' (used by the media all too frequently) is somewhat self contradictory. You can't be a 'muslim' AND a 'terrorist' at the same time.

I was being sarcastic, I said everything that Mr.Bush and the rest of the people who believes his shit would say. I think lights said that he would enjoy killing them because they would all enjoy killing his friends. People in America aren't starting to lose a bit of common sense, maybe they see as 9/11 as a glorious day, but some might actually regret of the cilivian causaulties, but all to have a crack at at the gov, right. They must teach the Americans a lesson, they must bring you to your knees you know what it is like, and you will know what it is like to struggle again then you won't continue to bully 3rd world countries.
Bush is the pinacle of all hate and he has no respect for any religion, he doesn't derserve to live. What do you think they say for the religious reasons.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC

Bush is the pinacle of all hate and he has no respect for any religion, he doesn't derserve to live.

People that do not have respect for religions deserve to die?
Jebus, you had better start the killing now; it is going to take a while to kill off the millions.

Funny, Bush has defended the Christian religion many times. People have actually been bashing him for being biased due to his belief and respect for the religion. Odd..

 

[MacMan]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
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Don't think we aren't watching. Any further discussion of this point should be continued via PM.

 

[fugg]

doesnt it say in the koran that killing is against islam?

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by Lights
People that do not have respect for religions deserve to die?
Jebus, you had better start the killing now; it is going to take a while to kill off the millions.

Funny, Bush has defended the Christian religion many times. People have actually been bashing him for being biased due to his belief and respect for the religion. Odd..

Actually from my understanding of Christianity, Bush isn't really a very good Christian. I think he just plays the religious right to get more support.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
Actually from my understanding of Christianity, Bush isn't really a very good Christian. I think he just plays the religious right to get more support.

More support? Today's Christians are rather quiet, and I have heard much more against his anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage than for it. Besides, there arent really many "good" Christians to be found; they are all fakes. :\ I would say he is as 'good' as your everyday churchgoer, but you cant know anyone's true thoughts or feelings. Life is so difficult at times..


@fugg - Well, yes and no. There are passages of world peace and kindness, yes. However, there are also a few passages that could easily be translated into commandments of violence. Those terrorists who have been killing in Islams name are known as "radicals" or "Extremists". People who have taken those passages too litteraly, and Muslim leaders have said as much themselves. The Muslim religion shouldnt be judged by the actions of a few, it isnt a murderous cult.. I think. =\

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by Lights
More support? Today's Christians are rather quiet, and I have heard much more against his anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage than for it. Besides, there arent really many "good" Christians to be found; they are all fakes. :\ I would say he is as 'good' as your everyday churchgoer, but you cant know anyone's true thoughts or feelings. Life is so difficult at times..

I don't think I'll dispute that life is difficult.

I don't so much care about his anti-abortion stance since that's really not a political issue anymore and any argumentation on the subject goes nowhere. His anti-gay stance has direct conflicts with Christ's teachings as do his pro-war stances ("I make decisions with war on the mind" Yes, I found that quote in F9/11 but that doesn't make it invalid). The fact that he doesn't seem to care about people's health, ignoring the fact that so many people have no health insurance is not in line with Christ's teachings. Also he cut into the social security budget, one of the few sources of income that senior citizens have. Ignoring the needs of people who cannot independently care for themselves doesn't seem like it's very in line with the teachings of Christ. And how about these anti-Kerry ads airing on radios and televisions everywhere? Wasn't it Jesus who saved a woman's life by urging non sinners to "cast the first stone"?

 

[aphextwin]

Yes all terrorists are muslims

i seriously didnt know that....... i thought there are like mafia-like terrorists, example russia

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
I don't think I'll dispute that life is difficult.

I don't so much care about his anti-abortion stance since that's really not a political issue anymore and any argumentation on the subject goes nowhere. His anti-gay stance has direct conflicts with Christ's teachings as do his pro-war stances ("I make decisions with war on the mind" Yes, I found that quote in F9/11 but that doesn't make it invalid). The fact that he doesn't seem to care about people's health, ignoring the fact that so many people have no health insurance is not in line with Christ's teachings. Also he cut into the social security budget, one of the few sources of income that senior citizens have. Ignoring the needs of people who cannot independently care for themselves doesn't seem like it's very in line with the teachings of Christ. And how about these anti-Kerry ads airing on radios and televisions everywhere? Wasn't it Jesus who saved a woman's life by urging non sinners to "cast the first stone"?

I dont want a debate, so I'll just say one more thing and leave it at that. You can get the last word if you so desire.

I really think the health care to Christianity is a long stretch, but I suppose it *might* have a *small* relation. Besides, I wouldnt say he "ignores" social security and healthcare, his current priorities just are on other issues. But as far as ignoring the needs of people, that is what the Iraqi war was for (You may disagree, but that is how I see it). And we all know the Christian God is an incredibly brutal, warmongering God. So... he would be right on line there.

And publically at least, Bush has been calling to take down all of those ads. Not just the ones against him, but the ones against Kerry, too; You cannot say as much for Kerry. (But I am not blind. I fully realize Bush is having some 'under-the-table' dealings with these commercial producers, but at the same time so is Kerry; that is just politics.)

 

[Pale_Horse]

To clear up matters a bit, NOT all terrorists are muslims. Granted a good majority are muslim, but extreme muslims. I may be wrong about this and if I am I am sorry, but I beleive the hatered between our culture (Primarilly Christian) and the Middle Eastern (Muslim Extremist) date back to the bible. So this whole thing about them attacking the states has been a long time coming. A few years back, (if i remember corectly) the USS. Cole was attacked by Bin Ladens extremeists.

As far as Bush being a good christian, LOL.... He was never really highly into religion until he sobered up, and found it to be "GODS" will. So I guess you might say he is a "reborn" christian. Not to be confused between a "born again christian" The difference is one is raised as a christian but never really follow in the ways, while the other finds religion threw personal struggle and enlightinment.

If you ask me, the days of religions, are almost gone. Back in the 40's and 50's it was the norm, be a good boy or girl you will go to heaven, but now its more like, a family tradition, you go to church because its something your brought up with. Their is a lack of faith these days.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

i seriously didnt know that....... i thought there are like mafia-like terrorists, example russia

Jesus try reading more than one post before you post, can't detect sarcasm?

To clear up matters a bit, NOT all terrorists are muslims.

Morons that didn't read: 2. Gee you think? Why don't you just state the obvious. Arguing agasint a sarcastic remark.

People that do not have respect for religions deserve to die?
Jebus, you had better start the killing now; it is going to take a while to kill off the millions.

No. When you start wars, use money that was for rebuilding a country, helping people and give it away to US contractors (I could sit here and name all day but nah) and the rest of the bullshit he has done. Yeah they shouldn't be allowed to live just like terrorists don't derserve to live. Or maybe he should be locked up for the rest of his life, not allowed to be in charge of a toliet.

Funny, Bush has defended the Christian religion many times. People have actually been bashing him for being biased due to his belief and respect for the religion. Odd..

Main religion of America, more votes.

I don't think I'll dispute that life is difficult.

Don't think we aren't watching. Any further discussion of this point should be continued via PM.

Why didn't you just say that in a PM, or at least come up with something to say on topic. I will continue this when I get to writing a PM.

I dont want a debate,

You don't want a debate in the AS.

But as far as ignoring the needs of people, that is what the Iraqi war was for (You may disagree, but that is how I see it).

Is that why he gives the money assigned to Iraqi rebuilding to US contractors.

And publically at least, Bush has been calling to take down all of those ads. Not just the ones against him, but the ones against Kerry, too; You cannot say as much for Kerry.

You can't say that Kerry started off the ad war, or make the amount that Bush has, or you can't say that Bush doesn't have another agenda for doing so.

Edwards said the attacks were "a lie" and Kerry served "honorably and proudly."

He said the attacks were being backed by important supporters of President Bush's re-election campaign and said, "There is one person and one person alone who can put an end to this, and his name is George W. Bush."

The crowd responded with chants of "Take down the ads."

Representatives for Bush have declined to specifically condemn the ads that attack Kerry but have called for all ads that are not officially part of the campaign to be taken off the air.

If you ask me, the days of religions, are almost gone. Back in the 40's and 50's it was the norm, be a good boy or girl you will go to heaven, but now its more like, a family tradition, you go to church because its something your brought up with. Their is a lack of faith these days.

Maybe it doesn't play a more important role in your countries but is still important in a lot of 3rd world countries.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Main religion of America, more votes.

Erm, just because it is the main religion does not mean it is the larger percent of the population. So, no, that does not mean more votes.

You don't want a debate in the AS.

Uhh... yea? That is what I said and that it what I meant. Just because this is a serious discussion does not mean it is a debate forum. There is a rather large difference. Shocking.

Is that why he gives the money assigned to Iraqi rebuilding to US contractors.

Not the point. The point is that there is a rebuilding being done.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Well, first of all Orc, not all Muslims are terrorist... okay, sorry. Just kidding around.

Erm, just because it is the main religion does not mean it is the larger percent of the population. So, no, that does not mean more votes.

A lot of people just vote on *Christian issues* like abortion though, so by throwing an anti-abortion stance into your campaign you can get a lot of votes.

Not the point. The point is that there is a rebuilding being done.

Right, but Jesus wouldn't be in Iraq in the first place, so how is that Christian?

I guess you can consider that as me trying to get the last word...w/e...

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Erm, just because it is the main religion does not mean it is the larger percent of the population. So, no, that does not mean more votes.

Did I ever say that? If Bush thinks it will get him more votes you will be sure that he will do it.

Well, first of all Orc, not all Muslims are terrorist... okay, sorry. Just kidding around.

Lol

Uhh... yea? That is what I said and that it what I meant. Just because this is a serious discussion does not mean it is a debate forum. There is a rather large difference. Shocking.

Bullshit. There is little difference between the two, and with the critea that they say should be in a post here makes it seem even more like a debate forum.

I dont want a debate, so I'll just say one more thing and leave it at that. You can get the last word if you so desire.

What happened to that?

Not the point. The point is that there is a rebuilding being done.

I am perfectly on the point. If he cared about the people then why would he give most of the money away that was meant for rebuilding, why would he let other countries pay for it. He doesn't care, if he did he would be drawing money from other bullshit schems and he would've stopped his bullshit adverts a lot sooner to help pay for it.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Did I ever say that? If Bush thinks it will get him more votes you will be sure that he will do it.

No you didnt ever say that. Hence the reason I wasnt quoting you, but someone else. k?

There is little difference between the two, and with the critea that they say should be in a post here makes it seem even more like a debate forum.

Key word: Seem.
Yes, many and most threads in AS are "debatable threads". However, this is not labeled specifically a debate forum. All threads must not be about debating, just serious. Understand the difference.

What happened to that?

I was speaking specifically to CB about the points he and I were making. I didnt mean I would not post in this thread again.

I am perfectly on the point. If he cared about the people then why would he give most of the money away that was meant for rebuilding, why would he let other countries pay for it. He doesn't care, if he did he would be drawing money from other bullshit schems and he would've stopped his bullshit adverts a lot sooner to help pay for it.

What are you suggesting he do then? How should the rebuilding process be done?