States with highest rate of "abstinence only" sex ed have highest teen pregnancy rate

[Aragorn7]

Bad parenting is the source of many problems in society. I think Celestial Badger makes a good point that people with bad parents are not necessarily doomed to repeat the past. However, that is just not true in all cases. Some that are abused and have had horrible parents strive to become better parents than they had.

I agree with Spike's post also. Sex Education should be taught in a way that it allows kids the choice. Although, I would like to note that I am all for abstinence, since it is the best way to protect yourself from the dangers that sex can bring. Tell kids how to protect themselves without directly telling them to not do it.

Back to parenting though. I personally think that most of societies problems are from bad parenting. Parents are the source of the most influence on the new generation. I have seen way too many bad parenting cases to make me think otherwise. They should honestly teach a parenting class in high school...that might fix some things.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by Aragorn7
They should honestly teach a parenting class in high school...that might fix some things.

That's the first thing I've agreed with in this thread. Not realistically of course, but it does have a grain of truth.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Why is there a difference between schools teaching sex ed and schools teaching parenting. Why is one the responsibility of the parent but not the other?

 

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
Why is there a difference between schools teaching sex ed and schools teaching parenting. Why is one the responsibility of the parent but not the other?

They are both the responsibility of the parent. However, right now, parents in most places aren't pulling their weight in gold. Parents need to teach their kids both subjects or they have failed as parents.

Not letting kids get lazy is another thing parents should strive to do. The lazier kids get, the worse it will be later on in life. Believe me, the more work you do now, will pay off x10 later on.

(Besides, if you teach your kid a lot, and he learns fast, you shouldn't even have to teach him how to be a good parent. It should come naturally from him watching you.)

 

[CelestialBadger]

I was more asking Nuts who thinks that sex ed should be left to the parent but parenting should be left to the school. What exactly is the difference there?

 

[Gedrin]

There are 24 hours in a day, 8 of which are spent sleeping. Are you trying to claim that most, or perhaps just many parents are working 16 hour days 7 days a week?

This ignores the time that a person commutes, commutes, bathes, cooks, eats, does home maintenance, pays bills, fun time with kids, etc.

Wake up kiddies, schools are corrupting kids, not helping them

The goal of an educational system should be to educate children. It is failing at this for a number of reasons. One of which is freshman year of HS is 3-4 years too late, and this is when I had sex ed. I knew ppl that were sexually active when they were in 7th grade. Those schools who did teach exatly what happens when you have sex and ways for those individuals arleady sexually active to protect themselves are at least doing something right.

The simple truth is there are a lot of bad parents out there, that is not an excuse for an educational system not to provide an education.

Many families are highly offended by this practice, and frown upon the idea of placing a rubber on a cucumber in the middle of class.

Of the many responsibilities of our educational system being innofensive and "pc" should not be included. If that had gone on in my freshman sex ed course it would have made me pay more attention, instead I was swamped with busy work. I learned nothing from that class. The only thing I did was fill out worksheets, and silently note that the things being taught were not true.

Though it is true that parents do have responsibilities in these manners, sex is an awkward. Lets face it when you are seeing a movie at home that you know is going to have a sex scene you want to or suddenly find a reason to be somewhere else.

It is great then when the public school system takes this off ouyr hands. It NOTIFIES THE PARENTS THAT THIS SPECIFIC EDUCATION IS TAKING PLACE. The expectation is that this will be complete. Although this is an errant, it is an assumtion that is made nonetheless.

I myselef never had one of those awkward sex talks with my parents. By Nuts's logic so far I must have sired many children thus far and are in the process of many more. And my poor sisters and brother must be doing just as bad.

Reality time, I haven't nor have my siblings made any babies yet. Though my older sister is by now financially stable enough right now to do so. I want a big family, but not until grad school is done, or mostly done.

The simple fact is this is a complex issue. The your parents are ****ing idiots argument is for the asylum, try reason instead of a long string of intellegent sounding insults.

Some kids are going to have sex no matter what, it is better for those kids to have sufficient protecion and a set of options that are based on logic rather than ultimatums and slogans.

sorry for being so long winded but I had a lot of text to respond to. I also needed to unwind from my calc exam.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
I was more asking Nuts who thinks that sex ed should be left to the parent but parenting should be left to the school. What exactly is the difference there?

I was joking, hence the comment "Not realistically of course."



And Gedrin, I don't believe I have ever claimed that all children are irresponsible, I simply believe that sex education is best left to the parents, not the schools. What's next, will the schools teach our kids how to have proper anal intercourse? In another thread, people claim this is normal behavior, so what's stopping the schools from trading down the slippery slope?

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

The fact is that children will listen to schools more than parents, whats stopping parents from teaching anal intercourse? I don't think schools will ever teach that sort of information unless asked for.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
The fact is that children will listen to schools more than parents, whats stopping parents from teaching anal intercourse? I don't think schools will ever teach that sort of information unless asked for.

When did parents ask for sex education? Never.

 

[~Canuck~]

Originally posted by Nuts
When did parents ask for sex education? Never.

Assuming your correct on that, and they never asked for it, why don't parents pull their kids out of it, and teach their kids themselves if they frown upon it so much? As well for it to become an integrated part of the curriculum would mean it was placed their by whom ever is incharge(im not sure who exactly would do that, since im not so in tune with the american polititcal system), but to continue my point, an elected official would have decided to implement sex ed. If its such a big deal, why are parents voting for the candidates who promise to remove it?

 

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
The fact is that children will listen to schools more than parents, whats stopping parents from teaching anal intercourse? I don't think schools will ever teach that sort of information unless asked for.

What are you talking about!?

Kids listen to their parents more than their teachers. At least that is how it should be. Parents are the most influencial character in any teenagers life. It may not seem that way, but in fact it is.

 

[~Canuck~]

Originally posted by Aragorn7
What are you talking about!?

Kids listen to their parents more than their teachers. At least that is how it should be. Parents are the most influencial character in any teenagers life. It may not seem that way, but in fact it is.

But on something like sex ed it could be taken the other way. For example if the school says that "insert info is true" and the common thought amongst teens is that it isn't, they will probably believe the school because what reason do they have to mis lead them?

Now if the same information is presented, the teenagers might just assume that their parents are exagerating the information because they don't want their children sexually involved. In such a case they could just ignore the warning and go ahead with their own notions.

Now im not saying this happens 100% of the time, but if you don't think something like this could happen, then your obviously clouding your own judgement.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Originally posted by Nuts
I was joking, hence the comment "Not realistically of course."

Eh...so how do you recommend getting out of this spiral that society is headed into which will produce bad parents who are doomed to produce bad parents because there's absolutely no outside influence?

 

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by ~Canuck~
But on something like sex ed it could be taken the other way. For example if the school says that "insert info is true" and the common thought amongst teens is that it isn't, they will probably believe the school because what reason do they have to mis lead them?

Now if the same information is presented, the teenagers might just assume that their parents are exagerating the information because they don't want their children sexually involved. In such a case they could just ignore the warning and go ahead with their own notions.

Now im not saying this happens 100% of the time, but if you don't think something like this could happen, then your obviously clouding your own judgement.

I know that this happens, but kids do listen to parents. Kids don't necessarily come looking for advice, but when they hear it, they will remember it. Just sitting down with your kid and talking to them about it is very helpful (and embarassing on both sides ). I was just gathering most of this information from a study I saw on 20/20 I believe. They went and did a study on a lot of families and found that MOST kids listen to their parents (more so that even outside sources).

As long as a kid has something morally correct to draw upon at the point of decision. That is all that matters. After that, it is the kids choice.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
Eh...so how do you recommend getting out of this spiral that society is headed into which will produce bad parents who are doomed to produce bad parents because there's absolutely no outside influence?

That's a very good question, if I had the answer I would share it. Perhaps we can start by communicating with our children, but of course, who would suggest such a crazy idea.

 

[CelestialBadger]

You can't force people to communicate with their kids. The problem is that parents don't care. And if parents don't care their kids grow up not to care. The obvious solution is for someone on the outside to become involved with a child.