Smoking Bans in Bars... now banning smokers from government jobs

[RyanXWing]

You can't make people better.

 

[Renzokuken]

Yet we still try.

 

[RyanXWing]

KIT JESUS CHRIST DID YOU EVEN WATCH SERENITY?!

 

[Renzokuken]

LIKE TEN YEARS AGO RYAN JEEZ I DON'T WATCH IT EVERYDAY LIKE YOU FGTS GAWSHHHH.

 

[N[U]TS]

And as for cigarettes expect to pay about 10 bucks a pack here.

Yea, Iv heard places up north are not smoker friendly. They think by raising taxes that we are not going to smoke as much or just quit our "bad" habbit . Instead we cut back on groceries or other things just so we can afford cigs... sad but true.

This past weekend, I was chatting with a woman who said that in california you have designated places just to smoke out in the public. Even worse in some places you cant even smoke in your car unless you roll up your windows.

I say fuck that :dita:

 

[Uncle_Vanya]

You're in Texas right? Stay in Texas, the North is evil, I went from paying 3.98 a pack in NC to 10-10.75 for the same pack in Toronto.

 

[RoaCh of DisCord]

Smoking is definately stupid, but so is sunbathing from 11am to 4pm - to name one example. Both are choices, though. And nobody has the right to take these choices away from other people - unless they are minors.

Old post, but this sums it up for me. Are we going to ban cheeseburgers next, because they can make people fat?

 

[Gimmi]

Old post, but this sums it up for me. Are we going to ban cheeseburgers next, because they can make people fat?

If cheeseburgers made the person next to the person eating them fat, maybe.

 

[RoaCh of DisCord]

They do. The people next to them see the delicious cheeseburger, thus forcing them to order one themselves

But seriously..I don't understand why a certain business would refuse to hire someone because they smoke? The fact that they smoke doesn't hurt the other employees at work..

It just sounds like discrimination really.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Pretty sure prices went up across the whole country as a result of a "manufacturer price increase". At least that's what happened in New York, and now when I get to a state where the price used to be reasonable I find that cartons cost about four dollars more than they did a month ago. But hey, smoking's as American as getting ass-raped by greedy tobacco industry CEOs so it's not like another price hike'll make me stop.

on topic: I pay an extra 5 dollars a week for health care because I smoke. I've never used the health care plan, so that extra five dollars is pure profit and helps keep costs low for non-smokers. Plus I pay cigarette taxes that non-smokers don't. Plus I'm going to die sooner, in all likelihood leaving a smaller carbon footprint than a non-smoker and doing my part to reduce global overpopulation. So I'm really pulling my weight more than most non-smokers.

 

[Kamikaze]

Actually, smokers pay obscene amounts of taxes per carton of cigarettes which easily outweighs the expenses.

Actually it costs governments (the Canadian one at least) nearly double what they take in from taxes to keep smokers alive at the end.

The Cost of Smoking in Canada, 1991

The link is from 1991, but I'm lazy and it was the first one I found.


And BTW, where I live they've taken it a few steps further and it is now illegal to smoke in your car it there is someone under the age of 16 in your vehicle, but that could be a whole new debate.

 

[CelestialBadger]

NEJM -- The Health Care Costs of Smoking
more complete study which accounts for health care costs incurred by longer life spans in non-smokers:

Results Health care costs for smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for nonsmokers, but in a population in which no one smoked the costs would be 7 percent higher among men and 4 percent higher among women than the costs in the current mixed population of smokers and nonsmokers. If all smokers quit, health care costs would be lower at first, but after 15 years they would become higher than at present. In the long term, complete smoking cessation would produce a net increase in health care costs, but it could still be seen as economically favorable under reasonable assumptions of discount rate and evaluation period.

Conclusions If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs.

so...long term higher health care costs and it doesn't seem to take into account the loss of tax revenues at all

 

[rarasauras]

I really don't agree with them doing this. I mean there are plenty of other things that they could start on like what about alcoholics that end up with liver disease or as someone else said people who eat fast food all day everyday and are morbidly obese I’m sure they have high healthcare too. But are you going to not hire them?! And while you’re at it you might as well not hire women because I mean with us popping out babies like pez dispensers I mean that can't be cheap either right?!

I really think they are starting to take things a little bit too far. Why do you even let them sell cigarettes if you’re going to make it illegal to smoke anywhere. I think we have enough issues with illegal activities. Can you imagine, you’re going to have to call a dealer to get cigarettes and then like hide them somewhere so no one really knows….

I understood when they banned it in bars and restaurants because people didn't have much of a choice but to be subjected to it if you were a smoker or not. But to say you can't even be a smoker is just down right stupid. What you do in your car, house where ever it is you light up is your business as long as you aren't harming others. I mean does this mean if you’re married to or living with someone that is a smoker that you can't get hired either?

I’m a non smoker and I don’t like being around smokers inside…outside it doesn’t bother me but I’m not going to just shun everyone that does things that I don’t enjoy doing myself. I mean to each their own. *goes and calms down!*

 

[AZN_FLEA]

banning smokers from govt jobs is absolutely ridiculous. smoking is a lifestyle choice. there is no point in giving everyone full citizenship if we are not allowed to make such baisc decisions on our own. smoking may be bad but so is banning smokers from govt jobs.

this anti smoking bullshit has blown way out of proportion. its just gonna create alot of private smokers

 

[N[U]TS]

Its plain and simple why buisnesses dont want their employee's to be smokers. It is an extra expense that they dont want to pay towards health insurance.