Religion Thread

[QuikSilver]

No, not really, it's a cycle, means that the end is the beginning.

But, still...what started it all? A cycle can not start all by itself no matter where it starts or ends....:doh:

 

[Vadriel]

This is like a paper sack arguing with a golf ball about where mustard came from.

 

[QuikSilver]

This is like a paper sack arguing with a golf ball about where mustard came from.

man, its really simple...Things/cycles/whatever don't appear from nothing...They all should be traced back to an ultimate creator

 

[Vadriel]

Yeah, but what does a golf ball or a paper sack know about mustard? NOTHING!

 

[Tw@]

I just… I’ve just never seen any proof so I… just don’t debate it any more it’s like I could spend my whole life debating it over and over again, weighing the pros and cons, and in the end I still wouldn’t have any proof. So I just, I just don’t debate it any more. It’s absurd. The search for God is absurd.

 

[RyanXWing]

Perhaps the cycle has always existed? We can't even begin to fathom the size of our universe let alone infinity.

 

[TrongaMonga]

man, its really simple...Things/cycles/whatever don't appear from nothing...They all should be traced back to an ultimate creator

You don't seem to be understanding. I'll try to explain.

In order to have a cycle, you need time. That because a cycle needs time. You do phase 1, then it goes to phase 2, then 3. That needs time to happen.

What I am saying is that this universe is a cycle where time has been reset. Meaning, we are repeating the universe. It's repeatable. Does not mean it is equal to the last one, or anything. Just that this one will also end, and another will rise.

This is one cosmological theory, it has not been proven true. But it makes far more sense than just thinking someone must have created it.

I have as personal belief that thinking some god must have created everything, and actually believe that without even trying to find other explanation, is no more than cowardice.

Now of course there's much more to religion than who or what created the world, so I don't mind people having it.

Just don't tell me it even makes sense that someone must have created it, because it doesn't. It's an explanation, somewhat plausible, but not credible. No proof of any kind, what so ever.

 

[Zoltar]

Scientology.
Not even kidding.

 

[RyanXWing]

I dont care until someone starts trying to tell me why I should be part of their religion. Then I become an athiest.

 

[QuikSilver]

You don't seem to be understanding. I'll try to explain.

In order to have a cycle, you need time. That because a cycle needs time. You do phase 1, then it goes to phase 2, then 3. That needs time to happen.

What I am saying is that this universe is a cycle where time has been reset. Meaning, we are repeating the universe. It's repeatable. Does not mean it is equal to the last one, or anything. Just that this one will also end, and another will rise.

This is one cosmological theory, it has not been proven true. But it makes far more sense than just thinking someone must have created it.

I have as personal belief that thinking some god must have created everything, and actually believe that without even trying to find other explanation, is no more than cowardice.

Now of course there's much more to religion than who or what created the world, so I don't mind people having it.

Just don't tell me it even makes sense that someone must have created it, because it doesn't. It's an explanation, somewhat plausible, but not credible. No proof of any kind, what so ever.

Do you believe that something can appear from nothing? Even a time axis, it must have been set down by something/someone. A universe that repeats itself must have been set off by a creator. To me, this is the most logical explanation.

Religion is a different issue here. Actually, I currently am not following one...But, I do still truly believe there is a god... "intelligent designer"....

 

[please help me :(]

I've read about evolution theory and tried to be an atheist but it was very difficult to leave my religion.I'm addicted to Islam.

 

[QuikSilver]

have you looked into other religions? Why did you choose islam?

 

[TrongaMonga]

Do you believe that something can appear from nothing? Even a time axis, it must have been set down by something/someone. A universe that repeats itself must have been set off by a creator. To me, this is the most logical explanation.

Religion is a different issue here. Actually, I currently am not following one...But, I do still truly believe there is a god... "intelligent designer"....

Why must it have set off by a creator? Why can't it be created by itself?

And, do read again, I didn't said I believe in this theory. Just that it is a theory, more credible than a god.

 

[Sogeking]

Why must it have set off by a creator? Why can't it be created by itself?

And, do read again, I didn't said I believe in this theory. Just that it is a theory, more credible than a god.

you wouldn't make it as a freemason!

 

[QuikSilver]

Why must it have set off by a creator? Why can't it be created by itself?

And, do read again, I didn't said I believe in this theory. Just that it is a theory, more credible than a god.

It couldn't be created by itself because it wasn't created yet!

And, do read again, I didn't said I believe in this theory. Just that it is a theory, more credible than a god.

yes, my bad...

 

[TrongaMonga]

It couldn't be created by itself because it wasn't created yet!

That's the very definition of a cycle, the end is the beginning. It begins itself.

 

[QuikSilver]

That's the very definition of a cycle, the end is the beginning. It begins itself.

Refer to the pic I attached.
edit: nevermind it didnt upload for some reason...

That definition of the cycle actually has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Yes, the beginning of the cycle is its actual ending at any point in the cycle. However, you can not conclude that it begins itself from day 1...In order for it to be a cycle that repeats itself, something must have initially started it.

 

[RyanXWing]

Why can't it have been going on forever? Infinity is hard to grasp but its not as ridiculous as you might think. Plus with the formation of the universe it also forms time. So in reallity when the universe ends its cycle the time can be considered rewound if you will. This its just the same period of time over and over. Though with the inclusion of free will and chance things can drastically change from one cycle to another.

 

[TrongaMonga]

Refer to the pic I attached.
edit: nevermind it didnt upload for some reason...

That definition of the cycle actually has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Yes, the beginning of the cycle is its actual ending at any point in the cycle. However, you can not conclude that it begins itself from day 1...In order for it to be a cycle that repeats itself, something must have initially started it.

There are basics concepts you don't seem to understand here: the concept of infinity, and of how time is relative. Meaning, it can be transformed, or rather, can be observed, differently than what we experience it.

Think of time as clay. It can be made a jar, and it can be made clay again (I think, might not be the best example, not a clay expert ).

Saying that something had to be created is an hypothesis, not a certainity.

 

[CelestialBadger]

0/10

post your religion in caps was better.