TrongaMonga
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What's so obvious?
Is god a man or a woman
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It cannot be disproven, either.
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Kuzmich
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Actually you can just find anything in the Bible that goes against the actual fact discovered by man kind. Dinosaures is one of them, we know they existed, Bible doesn't say anything about them.
funkyFooMastar
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yes it did
i forgot but ill look into it and show you it but anyways it sez that john saw a bemethoth... it could be seen as a dinosaur it really depends im looking for the exact verse now ill post it when found
i forgot but ill look into it and show you it but anyways it sez that john saw a bemethoth... it could be seen as a dinosaur it really depends im looking for the exact verse now ill post it when found
amrtin77
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what if gods like a tree? just chillin up in hevan with his asexual self.
funkyFooMastar
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Dinosaur-like creatures are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible uses ancient names like "behemoth" and "tannin." Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term which includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct.
The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is recorded in Job chapter 40. "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."(Job 40:15-19) The book of Job is very old, probably written around 2,000 years before Jesus was born. Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.
The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Their tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars - one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world.
After all the behemoth had died out, many people forgot them. Dinosaurs were extinct and the fossil skeletons that are in museums today did not begin to be put together until about 150 years ago. Today, some people have mistakenly guessed that the behemoth mentioned in the Bible might be an elephant or a hippopotamus. But those animals certainly do not have tails like the thick, tall trunks of cedar trees! Although it cannot be stated with certainty, it appears that dinosaurs may have actually been mentioned in the Bible. This should not sound so strange. After all, God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.
The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is recorded in Job chapter 40. "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."(Job 40:15-19) The book of Job is very old, probably written around 2,000 years before Jesus was born. Here God describes a great king of the land animals like some of the biggest dinosaurs, the Diplodocus and Apatosaurus. It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The long Diplodocus had leg bones so strong that he could have held three others on his back.
The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Their tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars - one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world.
After all the behemoth had died out, many people forgot them. Dinosaurs were extinct and the fossil skeletons that are in museums today did not begin to be put together until about 150 years ago. Today, some people have mistakenly guessed that the behemoth mentioned in the Bible might be an elephant or a hippopotamus. But those animals certainly do not have tails like the thick, tall trunks of cedar trees! Although it cannot be stated with certainty, it appears that dinosaurs may have actually been mentioned in the Bible. This should not sound so strange. After all, God tells us that He created all the land animals on the 6th day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.
funkyFooMastar
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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c004.html
GO THERE OTMROKSE IT HAS THE ANSWERS JUST LOOK I ALSO PUT SOME ABOVE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT
*NOTE THAT THE SITE ALLOWS THIS ONLY TO PROVE POINTS**
GO THERE OTMROKSE IT HAS THE ANSWERS JUST LOOK I ALSO PUT SOME ABOVE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT
*NOTE THAT THE SITE ALLOWS THIS ONLY TO PROVE POINTS**
funkyFooMastar
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SHABAM TAKE THAT
amrtin77
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hey man use the edit buton 
and god CANNOT be proven or disproven. have you ever met him? no. well how do you know he doesnt exist? you cant. there is NO proof at all of gods existance, so there is nothing to attempt to disprove.
after i die i may go to a hevan. i may go to a hell. i may just be gone. i may be reincarnated. no one knows, because no living person has experienced death. we have no evidance so there is nothing to back anything up.. just ideas. its all faith, no facts.
and god CANNOT be proven or disproven. have you ever met him? no. well how do you know he doesnt exist? you cant. there is NO proof at all of gods existance, so there is nothing to attempt to disprove.
after i die i may go to a hevan. i may go to a hell. i may just be gone. i may be reincarnated. no one knows, because no living person has experienced death. we have no evidance so there is nothing to back anything up.. just ideas. its all faith, no facts.
funkyFooMastar
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thanks im kinda new so bear with me :}
TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) ThereforARGUMENT FROM FEAR
ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to die.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
"For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16.
If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed.
Now look at the universe; is it possible that such an intricate mechanism, from the orbits of planets round the sun to the cells in your fingernails could all have happened by chance? Surely, this enormously complex mechanism has been designed, and the being that designed it must be God.
His argument goes something like this: God either exists or he does not. If we believe in God and he exists, we will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven. If we believe in God and he does not exist then at worst all we have forgone is a few sinful pleasures.
If we do not believe in God and he does exist we may enjoy a few sinful pleasures, but we may face eternal damnation. If we do not believe in God and he does not exist then our sins will not be punished.
Would any rational gambler think that the experience of a few sinful pleasures is worth the risk of eternal damnation?
Description
The near-death experience (NDE) is a subjective event experienced by persons who come close to death, who are believed dead and unexpectedly recover, or who confront a potentially fatal situation and escape uninjured. Since Raymond Moody, MD first focused public attention in 1975 on the near-death experience in his book, Life After Life. Since then the NDE has been the focus of considerable scientific research.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
taken from this web site
TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) ThereforARGUMENT FROM FEAR
ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to die.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
"For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16.
If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed.
Now look at the universe; is it possible that such an intricate mechanism, from the orbits of planets round the sun to the cells in your fingernails could all have happened by chance? Surely, this enormously complex mechanism has been designed, and the being that designed it must be God.
His argument goes something like this: God either exists or he does not. If we believe in God and he exists, we will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven. If we believe in God and he does not exist then at worst all we have forgone is a few sinful pleasures.
If we do not believe in God and he does exist we may enjoy a few sinful pleasures, but we may face eternal damnation. If we do not believe in God and he does not exist then our sins will not be punished.
Would any rational gambler think that the experience of a few sinful pleasures is worth the risk of eternal damnation?
Description
The near-death experience (NDE) is a subjective event experienced by persons who come close to death, who are believed dead and unexpectedly recover, or who confront a potentially fatal situation and escape uninjured. Since Raymond Moody, MD first focused public attention in 1975 on the near-death experience in his book, Life After Life. Since then the NDE has been the focus of considerable scientific research.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
taken from this web site
amrtin77
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im pretty sure that site is making fun of those arguments.
you see my point? this is all REALLY bad logic..
EDIT:
you should read the rest of that site you gave me
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
a little lower are "arguments" that god exists that can only be mocking theists... i think you chose the wrong source.
actually the site gave me quite a few good laughs
what? how do you know? how is god and reason intertwined??
fisrt off, who cares what you say, i want proof not "if i say so." but if everything MUST have a cause, what is gods cause?
yeah, and i can conceive invisible pink bunnies that no1 else can see but me and they float around me when i try to sleep.
you see my point? this is all REALLY bad logic..
ok, you wanna talk bout gambling? how lucky do you gotta be to chooses from the THOUSANDS of religions, ALL HAVE AN EQUAL CHANE TO BE TRUE, and if you choose the wrong one you burn in hell. now THERES a gamble. and i'll live my life how i see fit, based on my own morals, not some invisible beings.
EDIT:
you should read the rest of that site you gave me
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
a little lower are "arguments" that god exists that can only be mocking theists... i think you chose the wrong source.
actually the site gave me quite a few good laughs
funkyFooMastar
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PBrooks1210: Ok, well, you can't prove God exists if the person doesn't want to see it.
PBrooks1210: Like we could argue all day if there was a tree outside just because I didn't want to see the tree.
AND IM GONNA BOW OUT SAYING THAT ITS YOUR CHOICE I KNOW gOD EXISTS and its all up to you you stuck up.......
PBrooks1210: Like we could argue all day if there was a tree outside just because I didn't want to see the tree.
AND IM GONNA BOW OUT SAYING THAT ITS YOUR CHOICE I KNOW gOD EXISTS and its all up to you you stuck up.......
amrtin77
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tell me, have you ever seen god? are you saying if i want to see him he'll show himself to me? well i believed in him up until 2 or three years ago.... he hasnt shown himmself to me yet.
read my edit please... you got a bad site to get info off of.
read my edit please... you got a bad site to get info off of.
funkyFooMastar
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it was ment to be funny *on my part no i havent seen God but i know he exists because the bible sez so O my gosh so yuor saying you need a visable god? it just shows you where a medioker christian like every one elese i am too in a way.
amrtin77
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ok its good it was meant to be funny
i hope your last post wasnt though... the bible was written by humans and no human is perfect. and i do not see the sense in following a book so blindly just because others do.. the bible is loaded with god doing evil things to innocent people, half the time he seems worse than satan. it is also very good at contradicting itself.
to be honest the bible is what made me STOP believing in god. i started reading it and i was like WOAH WTF!?picking the bible up and reading it was the biggest factor in me no longer believing
i hope your last post wasnt though... the bible was written by humans and no human is perfect. and i do not see the sense in following a book so blindly just because others do.. the bible is loaded with god doing evil things to innocent people, half the time he seems worse than satan. it is also very good at contradicting itself.
to be honest the bible is what made me STOP believing in god. i started reading it and i was like WOAH WTF!?picking the bible up and reading it was the biggest factor in me no longer believing
funkyFooMastar
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your right but on that tokin people back then had no reason to lie the world was a diffrent place back then
We humans require proof and tangible reality before we can experience assurance give me proof that God contradicts himself?
We humans require proof and tangible reality before we can experience assurance give me proof that God contradicts himself?
amrtin77
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i disagree. the world was a lot worse then than it was now. people then had the same human desires as we now do. i would argue people were WORSE thousands of years ago, because we now are having a normal debate on god- is he real or is he not? then, if you believed in a different god, you could be killed. this is waht the crusades were all about.
people then were alot DUMBER, but no better. they could be convinced that a god exists with no tangible evidence, or circular logic (god makes the sun rise, and the sun rises, so god must exist) and they would follow. religion was made as an early form of government most likely. it has laws, and it keeps people under control, and it explains things they could not yet understand.
people then were alot DUMBER, but no better. they could be convinced that a god exists with no tangible evidence, or circular logic (god makes the sun rise, and the sun rises, so god must exist) and they would follow. religion was made as an early form of government most likely. it has laws, and it keeps people under control, and it explains things they could not yet understand.
funkyFooMastar
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I WILL POST AGAIN TOMMAROW I HAVE TO HIT THE SACK ARE YOU UP TO IT?
amrtin77
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yeah, i visit the forums whenever i got nothing else to do. if i see something worth replying to, or something i disagree with i post. come back tomarrow, ill keep an eye on this thread.
edit: sry bout the spamminess of this post
edit: sry bout the spamminess of this post
funkyFooMastar
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hahaah its all good ok ill keep you to it
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