How to kill NE

[Ntrik_]

too bad i dun change strat in UD game =/

anyways sell ur fortunate UD ult strat so that i can post it in many forums and find a counter for it

(j/k about posting )

 

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by N_LeGeNd)
too bad i dun change strat in UD game =/

anyways sell ur fortunate UD ult strat so that i can post it in many forums and find a counter for it

(j/k about posting )

Hehe, it is only useful in FFA anyways. Look up some Muh- replays and watch those. That is where I first saw it done, he kicked the crap out of everyone with it.

 

[AHappyChineseBoy]

Target the kotg/dh with a nuke then finish him off with your destroyers/air

Target dryads next, then casters. if he has a lot of bears then he obviously sucks because no one masses bears anymore- this means that he can only rejuv about 2 times a bear

Then target Archers/hunts with fiends/ghouls

Target mgs last unless you can wipe em out easy, chances are there arnt that many. if they have a lot of mgs then you can easily focus fire because taunt isnt THAT good.

and remember before the battle, harrass them because an army like that is real expensive and only really gotten full str at tier 3, but with fiends you can get full str at tier 2.

and when i mean by target, i dont mean follow the unit out to where ever it goes, i mean just target it till it dies or you cant hit it anymore.

and if you throw in a necro or 2 you got your meat + your dk who can tank also with some pots and frozen armor and statues

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Against the UD:

killing statues isnt that hard provided you keep entangling and throwing your hero some pots.

when they get necros, it all comes down to micro. you target the necros with whatever air you have, if you dont have air then target them with your archers, they shouldnt much of them either, and if they do then you should wipe out their ghouls. if they dont have ghouls and aboms they wouldnt ahve much because theyre ugly and fat and they take too much food. they would also prolly be in high upkeep which means they arent getting gold.

after you get rid of their necros, keep taunting, what i said before about taunting:some people know that taunt doesnt work all the time but players who dont know how to play real good usually dont care about taunting, itll give that delay for you to target them necros.

a dryads role isnt really anything against fiends, just target the aboms with 1 dryad per abom to slow his ass down unless they have some effect no them. when i say it all comes down to micro try not to let any of your units die, just ignore the skellies that they have and you'll be fine.

if you have a kotg then keep entangling, if you have a dh just keep him alive, if they target him then you're for sure to win because it's just wrong to target a dh due to evasion, and if you have a warden, blink in, blink out, and if you have a potm keep her in the back AWAY from the lich.

and remember to harrass with the entangle in the beginning because thats what kills me because i am a UD player

when your hero hits level 6 then its gg for them unless they have a level 6 hero -_- which should be deadl already tho
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if you still have a problem then give me the sceneario and i'll find a way to beat that =)

one of the ways to always win is having variety in your army, and heroes that stay alive.

 

[Ntrik_]

hmm.. must have taken long time there
NE
-you forgot DotC
-vs. UD, Warden is better than DH
-Dyrads can DK, slows him down
-Entangle + treant would be even more helpful
-NEcros can die from warden's FoK, Mg can jus taunt to let warden live in the heat of the battle.
-must ahve pot
-also faerie dragons pwn those healers n necros

UD
-u need lots of necros
-u need gargs too
-no, dont kill heros first, they are too strong (espeically DH, but try to hero nuke em)
-gargs kil ldyrads + hunts (if they have any), and tries to kill archers
-kill mg and DotC with abom and fiend (surround andk il)

thats all for now nice guide tho, i like the fact that you actually are legit war3 player! we need players like that...

 

[Andrew]

as long as you have good macro and micro almost anything is possible, but if u face necros NE should have some sort of dispell, especially wisps

 

[AHappyChineseBoy]

First off, legend stop arguing with me lol.

for ne:
-bears suck, you heard me they suck. they are way to easy to kill and theyre hard to micro.
-dh is better because of evasion and burn, wardens shadow strike is good but youll only get nuked and their hero will use pots
-if you focus fire on the dk then all the other units will be normal spped and his fiends will kick your ass
-yes entangle owns, but treants dont, so you got me with that
but if i went against you i'd nuke you
-warden can use the knives but then she would be an effective hero kill without her ss, and i can certainly win with just heroes/statues ( i never said necros ownt -_-, i said fiends did)
-targetting mgs last is the best idea, unless you can take it down fast, i can easily click the attack button again.
-faerie dragons get ownt by fiends and skellies from wand + hero =)

for UD:
-no you dont need a lot of necros because they are easily killed
-gargs suck against archers/heroes
-depending on the situation, targeting heroes may not be a good idea because he has statues/pot and he has a lot of life. in that case target the statues, then units then the dk, then when he runs kill the lich with entangle/burn, problem solved, and if you have dryads the ud will have a hard time
-im sorry, archers + dryads will ALWAYS own gargoyles.
-i dont understand

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Thanks

 

[Aragorn7]

You are a bunch of arguing kids! At least write something to back up your claims. They are just statements with nothing to back them up.

 

[Radamanthys]

Originally posted by AHappyChineseBoy
-im sorry, archers + dryads will ALWAYS own gargoyles

Yes, they are easy shot down by any AAA (i hate the ROF of Human and Orc towers :angry), but at least gargs can do their job, killing air units before run away from enemy arrows
Just use that blight item (dont remember the name) on somewhere near the main battles, send gargs there, stone form, when hit points are full go back to killing

Sometimes it works before my army get raped by enemy tanks

 

[Aragorn7]

Necro wagon will always own NE, it is a proven fact that most NE newbs don't know that it even exists! Hippo riders are a better counter than faerie dragons.

 

[Ntrik_]

First off, legend stop arguing with me lol.

for ne:
-bears suck, you heard me they suck. they are way to easy to kill and theyre hard to micro.
-dh is better because of evasion and burn, wardens shadow strike is good but youll only get nuked and their hero will use pots
-if you focus fire on the dk then all the other units will be normal spped and his fiends will kick your ass
-yes entangle owns, but treants dont, so you got me with that
but if i went against you i'd nuke you
-warden can use the knives but then she would be an effective hero kill without her ss, and i can certainly win with just heroes/statues ( i never said necros ownt -_-, i said fiends did)
-targetting mgs last is the best idea, unless you can take it down fast, i can easily click the attack button again.
-faerie dragons get ownt by fiends and skellies from wand + hero =)

Obivously, you do not know how good bears can be. They arent easy to kill when u got MGs and regeneration -_-; I have won countless (mebbe not..) games with bears.
Yes, i know, i used to say DH is beter, but Warden with FoK + Blink does better job. It proved to be better...
lol treants suck? not really, they can tank a bit and hit from back you know.. (making treants behind enemy's trees)
With FoK, u can own both fiends and Necros, necros die in 2 foK (left with smal life after 1) and fiends will eventually die by bears (normal atack!) and MG's taunt so that they dont run away.
Ok.. i know faerie dragons get owns, thats why they are used only for mana flare (statues, necros)
Like Aragorn said, provide proofs why bears suck, and how DH can be better, to me nowadays, DH dies FAST after hero nuke, Death Coil + Frost Nova, and yes it applies to all heroes, but warden has blink to sorta avoid whenever they tryto, (get out of the range) Also, bear's regeneration and roar helps, regeneration i think is 400 life per 12 secdons or 25 second? thats alot you know ,and very fast.

 

[AHappyChineseBoy]

Sigh:
first off, whoever leaves their necros lying there should be ownt. if you move your necros, the warden will follow, during that time, it's ideal to nuke her and eventually kill her. also, if you have cripple then itll just make it more gruesome.

dh is better because he has evasion and nothing a little pot wouldnt fix =). warden may have some defense advantages with blink but she isnt a bad ass.

3rd, okay i mightve gone a bit over board with the treants suck, obviously they dont. but theyre easy to kill and nothing like a little dispel couldnt handle.

if you mass bears, i'll mass destroyers. if you get 1 bear, i'll get 1 destroyer, it's simple, bears suck. they are just easy to kill and there's no way i can provide evidence. and aragorn is wrong because i am chinese and i says so.

destroyers will own those grizzlys, and if you rejuv a whole army then good luck trying to micro, if you rejuv one guy then i just wouldnt attack that person, unless it's a hero i would dispel/nuke/cripple/ death T.T

Also, i was wondering if knives are a magic thing? because if i were to anti magic shell with the girl casterst then would it hurt the unit?

Enough said.

 

[Ntrik_]

anti magic shell = 300 dmg, so about 2 FoK should do it...
Oh yea, anti magic shell on hero = Manaburn useless
You can carry around pot (250 life) but that can be replaced by Death coil (250 dmg to heroes) and frost nova, which does around 200 i believe.
Like i said, DH is ez target of hero nuke, I experienced it, now i dun make him.
plz, tell me, any units that do Dispel in UD, obivously i dont play UD much.. so i dont know (destroyers might be one)
Lol, did i say i mass bears? i only make like 3, for healing and tanking. Oh and yea, i can micro them well, u can wish gl to other users who have prob microing, which isnt THAT hard since DotC can stand back, heal, once mana is almost gone, go to bear. Mg can taunt, then u wont hit bear, u will have to manually click on them again.
And yea, if i were to regenerate my hero, my hero wouldnt be the one in range of getting hero nuked, rather he/she will be in the back.
And who said anyone will leave their necros lying on the ground? lol ur funny

 

[Radamanthys]

Originally posted by N_LeGeNd)
And who said anyone will leave their necros lying on the ground? lol ur funny

You
When i said that necros must be moving you said that they can stand couse your gargs can take care of the situation:angry

 

[Ntrik_]

=/ well... mebbe i was tired?

anyways, gargs cant take the situation, I dont remember saying that. They can only do dmg to airs, but not much to ground units unless they are unarmored.

 

[AHappyChineseBoy]

im sure the dispel for destroyers work easily on your warden, then cripple will crush her, and being nuked then focus firing on her will kill her, then the UD army can just simply run back to the base, whats the point in fighting a battle when you've accomplished your goal? pots have a 10 second(?) time limit, nuke only takes seconds to complete and then it's done again. anti magic pots last very short, and those prolly take a limit too.

i still stand by the fact that bears suck still because theyre easy to kill even in bear form. in druid form theyre even and they should be targeted unless they're in the back, you can always keep using destroyers. and when destroyers leech mana, they are eerily powerful, +20 dmg/cold and area effect? that'll own ANY caster/range

whoever doesnt dispel and has the power to do so, should be shot, by the time you should have an anti magic potion ready at your shop, is by the time i would have tier 3 and destroyers plus i have around 3-4 statues in the back constantly healing my mana and my health. thatll make my heroes last a long time and my necros a bit more, and skellies will be resummoned in the front to own your mgs and your tanking bears.

and if your UD and the guy taunts, and your too lazy to target again, you should be shot if he's nearly dead and still in the front of the battle.

and whatever you say destroyeres own, even tho the absorb magic takes a bit long to get, they will ge tthe job done and rape anyone that is not magic immune.

warden is weak too weak she may be a better hero killer but she will die quicker too a nuke. if you have a level 6 dh, get nuked, use pot, use anti magic pot, use metamohphis for that bonus in hit points, then with the anti magic pot you can run away.

someone can easily target the warden simply because she doesnt have evasion, then they can always run while you're heroless, or your hero is dead. no one said your army has to stay in the same battle like i mentioned b4

and if you can micro people well, good for you it's for the whole forum to see, im sure there are a lot of people who cant play if their life depends on it, because frankly this is a helping forum, it's not like we're in a race to see whos better =)

 

[Ntrik_]

yes yes i like the last line now, lets stay on topic here

btw, i think u misinterpreted some stuff in ur post, (destroyers dont have 20 cold dmg, rather magic dmg i believe, and Hero nukes work well in all hereos, thats why they are called hero nuke, u seem to focus only on Warden, so what ur saying would be "Warden Nuke") And yes, destroyers own, i got no problems with that, and i know warden dies quick, thats why i use taunt jus b4 UD heroes use magic, and i dun tank with my warden thx very much she stays back, and does FoK to necros or w/e


Anyways, i guess fiends + statues will own NE in beginning...

 

[None293823]

I wouldnt say that necros are the best to kill undead.With wisps having both dispell and mana burn in the same range they are even better than dispell and you can just kill the necros, then they are owned.In case of air-gargs and wyrms can own hyppos and dotts or others

 

[AHappyChineseBoy]

Roar, that's that i win Muahaha, no im just kidding .

but when i say warden nuke (if i did) then its only because im debating on how to kill your warden specifically.

and i could've sworn destroyers were better =o

 

[Ntrik_]

woot, im lost, whats the topic again?

"How to kill NE"

ah ic, well, hero nuking will do, NE without hero will suck like hell. Also, since NE's tankers are mgs and heros VS UD, kill heros and u got their 50% of tankers gone

OT: anyone wanna do 2v2 AT wit me? i jus wanna get my thing back to 80% again... i got 4 DISC!!!! @#%