Communism question

[x[311]x]

Communism is considered a ideological gov't. It is a real life economy. However, if you look at China, when it was run by Chairman Mao Tse-Tsung you would see that it was run by a dictator. Or the USSR under Stalin when it was run by a dictator. However in China now, which is slowly becoming more and more capitalist/socialist, you see that they have almost a democratic government with the communist working structure, where everything is done for the gov't and everyone gets the same amount.

And to answer the original question on the post.....
Mao was considered Chairman of China
The book
Quotations From The Chairman Mao
its a good book i suggest reading it if you want to know more.
or also some of the books written by
Che Guevara
Fidel Castro
Stalin
Marx
Lenin
Mao

Hope that helps a lil

 

[Nuts]

Otmorosok, perhaps you should revalute your thinking.

The most significant early work on fission in the Soviet Union was performed by Yakov Zel'dovich and Yuli Khariton who published a series of papers in 1939-41 that laid the groundwork for later Soviet atomic weapons development.

The Soviet weapons program proper began in 1943 during World War II, under the leadership of physicist Igor Vasilievich Kurchatov. The program was initiated by reports collected by Soviet intelligence about the rapidly growing Manhattan Project in the U.S. It remained largely an intelligence operation until the end of the war, but it was a highly successful one, due to sympathies of many for the wartime Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany; the socialist political sympathies of some; and the weak security screening program necessitated by the hasty assembly of the vast program. Klaus Fuchs, an important physicist at Los Alamos, was by far the most valuable contributor of atomic information.

Immediately after the conclusion of the war against Japan, the Soviet program moved into high gear. Lavrenti Beria was appointed to head the entire project, with Kurchatov remaining as scientific director. Using the detailed data available on the American program, and the detailed design description of the Fat Man bomb provided by Fuchs in June 1945, the Soviet program achieved its first test in almost exactly four years.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Sovwpnprog.html

For the uninformed, Los Alamos is in the United States of America, not Russia or the former Soviet block.

So let me reiterate my previous position. Communism represses invention, it always has and always will. What you consider invention is nothing but stolen plans with some minor modifications. I'm not discounting the labors of your Russian scientists, because understanding and reconstruction of these projects obviously did require some genious, but to say that Russia was somehow an creative force during Communism is a misnomer.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

That site says that a German scientist made the biggest contributions to the nuke right, what sort of government did the Germans have? In-fact most scientists who made the biggest contributions were foreign. There are 100’s of websites that say different people made the biggest contributions to the atomic bomb you cant say if that guy invented it on American soil then its you’re invention.

 

[thehackerdude_SC]

I will state the basic form of communism, Three men work at a coal mine they all work the same amount of time and they worked at the same coal mine, lets say that the 1st man dug 56lbs of coal, the second man dug up 39lbs of coal, and the third man dug up 19lbs of coal, In the end they all get payed the same amount, It was origanally designed to be a not "PERFECT" but "fair" system. Well that was my quick example, hope it helps.

 

[thehackerdude_SC]

O, I almost forgot to tell you, the communist ways failed, for people found that they could cheat the system, not work as hard for the same amount of pay, now i know that sounds tempting but that's what is destroying their way.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
That site says that a German scientist made the biggest contributions to the nuke right, what sort of government did the Germans have? In-fact most scientists who made the biggest contributions were foreign. There are 100’s of websites that say different people made the biggest contributions to the atomic bomb you cant say if that guy invented it on American soil then its you’re invention.

Germany was fascist, not Communist, so your comparison is void from the start. And the fact that Fuchs was a German who fled from fascism only proves my point, freedom breeds invention, not repression.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

I never said germany was communist, russia invented plenty of things, he fled the upcoming war aswell. There wern't many americans who contributed to the bomb they were all "free" but not not many (if any) did anything extrodinary towards the bomb. America, the country free enough to steal inventions.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
I never said germany was communist, russia invented plenty of things, he fled the upcoming war aswell. There wern't many americans who contributed to the bomb they were all "free" but not not many (if any) did anything extrodinary towards the bomb. America, the country free enough to steal inventions.

So was Einstein American or not? Last I checked he was an American citizen, but then again, who knows... the whole country is full of immigrants at one time or another. How about backing up your statements with some fact for a change instead of making brash opinions that are based on opinion and fallacy.

Einstein was American, The Manhattan Project was American, Los Alamos was American. All of these people were involved in creation of the atomic bomb, yet somehow you claim that we stole the technology, that's a brilliant observation, truly brilliant.

And please enlighten me about the numerous Russian inventions, I'm very curious to hear of these supposed innovations.

If you don't mind my saying so, you're an imbecile.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

1- I wasn't referring to the nuclear bomb when I said you have the freedom to steal.
2- Einstien was a german who then became a citizen of america but whats a little empty document that says you are a american citizen.
3. Look it up yourself, its common sense, where is the logic that communism prevents invention.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
1- I wasn't referring to the nuclear bomb when I said you have the freedom to steal.

Then why did you mention it?

2- Einstien was a german who then became a citizen of america but whats a little empty document that says you are a american citizen.

That's exactly my point which you seem to have difficulty grasping. People came to America because Fascism and Communism didn't propagate invention. You've proven my point time and time again, yet you fail to see it.

3. Look it up yourself, its common sense, where is the logic that communism prevents invention.

The facts speak for themselves in the absence of any inventions from mother Russia during Communist rule. I don't think you understand the concept of Communism, do you? Communism by its own definition does not reward invention. Why would anyone strive to invent a new process or item when they would recieve no additional compensation? And once again, the lack of evidence for Soviet inventions speaks volumes on the subject.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

The absence proves it..... Austraila has invented 2 things, a type of washing line and a type of car, so by what you say it is and was communist. Einstien fled because he was a german jew not because his country didn't propagate invention. America has alot a rich people that don't even do anything for the country then you have so mant poor people and hobos. An alteration of communism would be a good goverment. The cold war made America 'Anti-comi'. Its just a goverment that didn't really work out. Why you are you so predigest? Against anything different. (you not meaning you nuts)

 

[Nuts]

I said that Communism doesn't propagate invention, does that mean the opposite is true? Of course not, please be sensible.

Einstien fled because he was a german jew

Yet again you prove my point. No matter the reasoning, Fascism didn't work for Einstein, and he fled to America, not Russia, or Nigeria, or Switzerland, but AMERICA!

Lastly, you make me chuckle when you speak of our homeless. Read this report, and take a look at these facts, then tell me again how many poor people we have.

The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

http://63.247.132.5/~rhailey/archives/001949.html

Exactly how do you define poor?

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Nuts finally you have typed with antagonising me, I wasn't really going off a cenus, but you have to admit that there are people that need the money more. To be honest I think the American and british goverment was better, I was just defending them because I don't believe that comunism was so bad.

 

[Nuts]

ORC-r0x0r-ROC, I'll be honest... I never intentionally insult people, but I simply cannot stand it when people use opinion in a debate. I realize that I'm the new kid on the block here, but this forum really does have low standards when pertaining to actual factual debate. So if I come off as an insensitive bastard, you'll know why.

In person, I'm actually very pleasant.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

This forum can't force people into a factual debate, me putting opinion into my posts has nothing to do with the standards of the forum. I think that debates are powered by opinion, there may be facts supporting why you support something but the same facts can lead to you not supporting something.

 

[torrid mind]

Communism:
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
-dictionary.com

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by Nuts
Otmorosok, perhaps you should revalute your thinking.



http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Sovwpnprog.html

For the uninformed, Los Alamos is in the United States of America, not Russia or the former Soviet block.

So let me reiterate my previous position. Communism represses invention, it always has and always will. What you consider invention is nothing but stolen plans with some minor modifications. I'm not discounting the labors of your Russian scientists, because understanding and reconstruction of these projects obviously did require some genious, but to say that Russia was somehow an creative force during Communism is a misnomer.

What about Sputnik, what about first man in space? And what u said is probably just a lie, you americans are good aat that

 

[killer900]

Originally posted by Nuts
So was Einstein American or not? Last I checked he was an American citizen, but then again, who knows... the whole country is full of immigrants at one time or another. How about backing up your statements with some fact for a change instead of making brash opinions that are based on opinion and fallacy.

Einstein was American, The Manhattan Project was American, Los Alamos was American. All of these people were involved in creation of the atomic bomb, yet somehow you claim that we stole the technology, that's a brilliant observation, truly brilliant.

And please enlighten me about the numerous Russian inventions, I'm very curious to hear of these supposed innovations.

If you don't mind my saying so, you're an imbecile.

if you knew anything about Einstein you would know he was also a registered Swiss citizen and he was born in Germany but denounced his citizenship, but he was still a citizen of Germany for a time. He also liked some of the ideas of communist and went to some meetings, note though that he supported the idea not the party. So check your own facts

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by Nuts
So was Einstein American or not? Last I checked he was an American citizen, but then again, who knows... the whole country is full of immigrants at one time or another. How about backing up your statements with some fact for a change instead of making brash opinions that are based on opinion and fallacy.

Einstein was American, The Manhattan Project was American, Los Alamos was American. All of these people were involved in creation of the atomic bomb, yet somehow you claim that we stole the technology, that's a brilliant observation, truly brilliant.

And please enlighten me about the numerous Russian inventions, I'm very curious to hear of these supposed innovations.

If you don't mind my saying so, you're an imbecile.

About numerous russian invetions, i said a lot of them, Sateliete for example, you yanks were too dumb to make that, also a rocket that got a man in space, you used similartechnology in the rocket that flew to the moon, we invented it, u stole it.

 

[Mark4]

Originally posted by bamthedoc
Communism is, technically speaking, the "perfect" form of government. In it, all people are equal and always provided for. The problem with the "perfect" governement is that perfection is required on everybody's part. It cannot work in a human environment because people are, inheritly, imperfect.

I guess you can't really call it a government when you think about the fact that there are no politicians, political parties, or "superiors" in society, and that includes no bosses in businesses.

It's hard to explain in short, really.

The theory of Communism itself is NOT perfect. It contains numerous flaws basically since it was devised at an unappropriate stage when Marx only got a change to experience the emerging stage of the Capitalist system where industrialization was a form of serious abuse to laborers.