Chechnya

[Galatia]

I hear that flamming outside of the Asylum is not allowed.

 

[Sogeking]

you know what might seem insignificant to everyone in this forum? 37,000 people die every day. Yet, you dont see it in the news daily now do you?

 

[Tempest Storm]

Otto, you seem to think Russia is innocent in this matter? I assure you, atrocities have been commited on both sides.

True, the war in Chechnya is justified, but the way both sides are going about is not. You advocate the killing of innocent civs and Muslims worldwide. Are you too ignorant that Russia's ruthless, cruel behaviour towards the Chechens is why shit like this keeps happening?

Like Galatia said, Russia is reaping what it has sown. Hate only breeds hate, and until Russia decides to take the higher road and actually go after the terrorists instead of the Chechen's, more innocent ppl will die.

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red]This all is happening since the time we invaded them a couple of hundred years ago, but it really became a danger then they obtained a Muslim leader and became Muslim. Right now we don't care about what happens to Chechens, we are the invading people, our first job is to make sure that war is won, and only the second is to make sure that people who are now part of our country have a good life.[/glow]

 

[Tempest Storm]

This all is happening since the time we invaded them a couple of hundred years ago, but it really became a danger then they obtained a Muslim leader and became Muslim. Right now we don't care about what happens to Chechens, we are the invading people, our first job is to make sure that war is won, and only the second is to make sure that people who are now part of our country have a good life.

Any good general knows that if you're going to win a war, you can't alienate the ppl. You have to get the ppl you're invading on your side as much as possible. Otherwise, you're never going to win.

But this doesn't surprise me much, Russians never were all that good at war.

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red]Your last words just show how dumb and ignorant you are. We beat the Germans twice, one time in WW2, one time in Levon wars, we beat the French, we beat the Byzantians, we were always good at war, we were a warrior nation to beggin with.We just have a different aproach, its not worse or better it is just different. Besides we are doing everything, we don't turn off their electricity, we open new schools, and most of the population is on our side, but those rebels are unaffected by that, they can only give up then they die, and we will help them at that.[/glow]

 

[betaalpha5]

umm no offence but i'm a bit young to remember much of this but, what "provoked" these attacks anyway?

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red]Then USSR fell apart Chechnya wanted to separate from Russia but Russia didn't want them to separate, so we had a war, after Russia defeated Chechen army they became terrorists. They made numerous attacks by blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow, they still keep making the attacks. Last one was today, they took hostage an elementary school.[/glow]

 

[Lights]

[glow=red]Your last words just show how dumb and ignorant you are. We beat the Germans twice, one time in WW2, one time in Levon wars, we beat the French, we beat the Byzantians, we were always good at war, we were a warrior nation to beggin with.We just have a different aproach, its not worse or better it is just different. Besides we are doing everything, we don't turn off their electricity, we open new schools, and most of the population is on our side, but those rebels are unaffected by that, they can only give up then they die, and we will help them at that.[/glow]

Heh, though your extreme weather helped you out there a couple times. :dance

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red]So what, we still won those wars. We used it as a tactical advantage. You know how we once destroyed a whole army of catholic knights without loosing one of our men? It was early spring i think, catholic army stood on one side of the river, russian stood on the other. Catholics had a bright idea of crossing the river on ice(it was still frozen) well because it was spring and the ice was weak they came to about a center of the river and then because they had horses and armor ice broke and they all fell in water and some just drowned some first got frost bite, but anyway they all died and Russians won without loosing a man.[/glow]

 

[amrtin77]

not to mention immense amount of land moving an old time army through... tough to supply an army for an extended period off time without vehicles or airplanes. especially through that weather. invading armies relied on captured cities... so russians burned their cities before retreating.

 

[Tempest Storm]

Your last words just show how dumb and ignorant you are. We beat the Germans twice, one time in WW2, one time in Levon wars, we beat the French, we beat the Byzantians, we were always good at war, we were a warrior nation to beggin with.We just have a different aproach, its not worse or better it is just different. Besides we are doing everything, we don't turn off their electricity, we open new schools, and most of the population is on our side, but those rebels are unaffected by that, they can only give up then they die, and we will help them at that.

I didn't say the Russians couldn't win, I merely meant that their strats suck. That's why 20 millions Russians died in WW2. You'ld send them out there with mere rifles, have them run at the Germans, who were in fortified posititons and armed with artilery and 50. calliber mchine guns. The only reason Hiter didn't take Moscow is because he misjudged the Russian winter. You have the weather to thank for your win in WW2.

And how many times have the Chechens thrown out the Russian army?

 

[aphextwin]

terrorists once again owned russia ;( remember that orchestra house or sumthing, where the terrors invaded the place and ended up killing everyone inside including themselves, thats a shame that the drunk gov't aint doing much for defense for their own country

 

[Tempest Storm]

terrorists once again owned russia ;( remember that orchestra house or sumthing, where the terrors invaded the place and ended up killing everyone inside including themselves, thats a shame that the drunk gov't aint doing much for defense for their own country

It was a theater, and it was the Russian government that killed most of the victims, not the terrorists.

 

[Kuzmich]

I didn't say the Russians couldn't win, I merely meant that their strats suck. That's why 20 millions Russians died in WW2. You'ld send them out there with mere rifles, have them run at the Germans, who were in fortified posititons and armed with artilery and 50. calliber mchine guns. The only reason Hiter didn't take Moscow is because he misjudged the Russian winter. You have the weather to thank for your win in WW2.

And how many times have the Chechens thrown out the Russian army?

[glow=red]Never. Winter wasn't it, there were 500000 troops invading Moscow they couldn't all just die from frostbite. We were always good at tacitics, but in ww2 Stalin executed all of the generals who had any experience and replaced them with his supporters. Still if you cool at our victorious compain in China you will see that Russians know their tactics. The reason 20 million people died was because we were unprepared, Stalin has disarmed our armies. Most died in first weeks, beforer we started fighting back.[/glow]

terrorists once again owned russia ;( remember that orchestra house or sumthing, where the terrors invaded the place and ended up killing everyone inside including themselves, thats a shame that the drunk gov't aint doing much for defense for their own country

[glow=red]Compared to the number of Chechen rebels we killed after and before that incident we lost nothing. We aren't cowards like them, we don't attack civilians, or take innocent children hostage. They will pay, and they will die.[/glow]

 

[B)ushid(o]

Chechen civilians dead

Yeah...

Russians fire on vehicle

The driver was stupid and the firing upon the vehicle I condone but that doesn't excuse the Russians for executing the injured.

Russian genocide of the Chechen people

Sounds biased, but let me get another site.

Cross-Verified the previous site

Yes, it's true.

Russians have not been innocent...ever

Russia has not been innocent

Many sites place the count at around 80,000. Russia puts it at 20,000. Huiman Rights puts it at 80,000. The Chechnyan government puts it at 100,000. Any way, Russia is nowhere near innocent.

 

[MacMan]

[glow=red]Alright today in Russia something happend that might seem insignificant to you, but is actually an event that might change the world. Chechen terrorists took elementary school with 400 kids in it hostage. That is a third attack they made in 2 weeks. For most of you it is probably nothing, but right now, as we speak some strings in the head of all the russians who are watching news or reading a newspaper about that attack, some strings are clicking in their heads. The rage starts to build up. From today and to the end of our great nation, we shall fight and kill terrorists there ever we can. I am personally gonna allow myself to be drafted into the army. They have gone too far, they deserve to die now more then ever. This is probably the first time since WW2 then US and Russia have a common goal. Live no muslims alive, they took our children hostage we shall kill theirs. Eye for an eye.[/glow]

You're so friggin racist...

 

[captaindry]

I read about that yesterday and it made me incredibly angry. Those kids are barely old enough to form their own political opinions, this is truly a violation of the human rights code (this carries more significance to me than anything else). I agree they should go after the people of the Russian gov, not the children.

 

[dreamcrusader]

[glow=red]Alright today in Russia something happend that might seem insignificant to you, but is actually an event that might change the world. Chechen terrorists took elementary school with 400 kids in it hostage. That is a third attack they made in 2 weeks. For most of you it is probably nothing, but right now, as we speak some strings in the head of all the russians who are watching news or reading a newspaper about that attack, some strings are clicking in their heads. The rage starts to build up. From today and to the end of our great nation, we shall fight and kill terrorists there ever we can. I am personally gonna allow myself to be drafted into the army. They have gone too far, they deserve to die now more then ever. This is probably the first time since WW2 then US and Russia have a common goal. Live no muslims alive, they took our children hostage we shall kill theirs. Eye for an eye.[/glow]

I wish we would help, but the Liberals would come crying about the civilian casuallties, and the loss of troops. Hats off to you for doing something. I wish we could

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red]Situation has been solved. 400 hostagees are freed 128 are dead. All the terrorists are dead.[/glow]