Bush Vs. Kerry

[MeSoNooby]

better to vote for the devil u know and not the devil u dont know ^^

 

[Lights]

Dont think I havent forgotten about this. Though I do think you need to begin posting some facts with your accusations. For with every continued post, you sink deeper and deeper into the mire of stupidity, going by just what you hear on the news.

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
I get the impression you're not telling me the whole story.

Alright, if you want an in-depth scolding, I can give you one. But honestly, Im not going to waste my time. His contradictory idiocy begins right here.

So is bush. "President Bush, saying the economic recovery is firmly in place, yesterday proposed adding $1 trillion to the national debt to fund the cost of shifting to a partially privatized Social Security system." 100 billion more infact.

So, Im guessing you just copy/pasted the first line of that article and did not actually[ research what it was for?
Honestly man, study, research.

This is a plan to cut the debt, but to do so, it must be added upon first. Its a plan to jump-start investing and the economy. Once its finished, it will have cut down the debt and paid back the American people. In the end, if everyone works together, the debt can be cut in half.

Urm.. you support him because he made it so you don't have to pay as much taxes, greed. Bush did this as a desperate attempt to please the American public, he doesn't care about the country, he cares about his own selfish arse.

Oh please, just stop with that nonsense. Is this what your debate has resorted to? Whining? Not only that, but unjustified whining.

So now cutting taxes is a bad thing? Interesting. I always thought it was a very nice way to boost economic spending ad morale.

Bush created them problems himself, I meant problems that he had no control over.

I had to stare at my screen and re-read what you said about 5 times. I couldnt believe my eyes, I thought they deceived me.

You...believe Bush is responsible...for terrorism? Are you serious? I am still in half shock, it seems you have a bigger problem with America than I thought. You need some help, badly.

George Bush, IN NO WAY, created those problems himself. He did not orchestrate the attacks on the World Trade. He did not force Saddam to harbor terrorists and attack his surounding countries for little or no reason, with zero respect for the laws of war. He did not force Saddam to refuse UN bomb checks.

You need to seriously check your stuff. You have some serious problems.

People still bought things companies still made some money,

Key word, "some". Public spending decreased incredibly.

America needed extra people to clean the mess up and not that many people were laid off. They still needed people to go back to work after the event, its not like because of the terrorist attack things were more efficient and they needed less people after. You've had time to recover and what about the people who died? Wouldn't their jobs be empty and need someone to fill their shoes.

You still dont seem to understand the effects of terrorism. It is not something I can explain to you with words. It is emotional, people were devestated. People still are devestated. The attacks cut us deep, the reprecussions still sounding. True, much time has passed and for that, the economy is going back up.

Gee, you think?

I do. You, I am not so sure about.
Just by posting that statement shows you are confused.

Most of it, him being president explains it.

Err...not really. Not even most of it.

Urm, wouldn't they have been spending a lot before bush was president, this doesn't explain it.

Urm, they were spending a lot before Bush was president? The debt was already in the trillions before Bush was president? This isnt something that just sneaked up on us in the past 4 years.

I don't live in America and if I did why would a sacrifice for him spending so much on bloody military when I don't even support it. Why doesn't he cut funding to ****ing military instead of making every other bugger in America suffer.

Perhaps because we are at war?
Not only in Iraq and abroad against Terror, but against terrorism at home. If the lives of the American people are not safe, all else is for nothing. That is our first and foremost priority. Homeland security is the top of the list in these dark times.

WTF, if you mean states as in the areas that is completely screwed up. So if I move to Texas I will become a more important person than if I live in a another state.

As I said before, Im not going to explain how the American government works. You can study that on your own.

My biased comments? You can't argue with it, YOUR PRESIDENT IS A IDIOT!

Sure I can, thats just opinion.
MY PRESIDENT ISNT AN IDIOT!

Bush doesn't know the meaning of clean; don't you believe actions are more important than words? Why would be a stab in the back was he siding with the repubs? Then he said that? Oh yeah for the record this is not ok.this

I dont quite follow you in this comment. I dont know when he has stabbed republicans in the back...

About the boxes, does it matter, really?
Its about American pride, something you wouldnt understand. Just as I wouldnt understand the pride you have in your country.

So this means he will bend under terrorism? Odd assumption.

How so? He has already folded against any oposition he has faced. He has changed stances on everything, too weak to stay with it. Its not really odd, its called taking facts and using them.

So let’s give a hypothetical situation, let’s say if the president nuked a country when he received information before hand that would mean that the attack might not be warranted but he isn't flexible enough to think he’s wrong. He blows the world up (nuclear war).

Er..ok? This relates to anything...how?
Once again, you've lost me.

Call me blind ignorant or whatever you want, but the fact is: Even I would do a better job than Bush. http://www.opednews.com/kall memes_to_beat_bush_with.htm http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m2633/4_16/92725506/p3/article.jhtml?term=

Your blind. Your ignorant.
You wouldnt do a better job than Bush.
You would still have let Saddam terrorize the Middle East and let terrorism continue to keep the world in fear. That it, going by your views, thats how your term would be.

 

[BigShot]

i want the socialist party to win!!! ahahahaha....but really, i think bush should win cuz kerry is just a draft dodging bastard like clinton, plus he says hes gonna fix problems...WITH WHAT MONEY???

 

[c9h13no3]

My presidential candidate is better than yours.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Alright, if you want an in-depth scolding, I can give you one. But honestly, Im not going to waste my time. His contradictory idiocy begins right here.

Well, I really couldn't give a shit about you're last paragraph of bullshit. Kerry has stuck with cutting some of the excess funding of intelligence, the problem that Kerry was criticising had nothing to do with money, just complete incompetence, stop bitching about this over and over and over...

This is a plan to cut the debt, but to do so, it must be added upon first. Its a plan to jump-start investing and the economy. Once its finished, it will have cut down the debt and paid back the American people. In the end, if everyone works together, the debt can be cut in half.

Ha, the article a copied this off was criticizing bush. “The debt will be cut in half if everyone works togetherâ€, I found this funny. “Once it is finished they might pay the American people back†This "plan" will not work.

I had to stare at my screen and re-read what you said about 5 times. I couldnt believe my eyes, I thought they deceived me.

Well, why quote a load of meaningless babble? I'll just quote this. You're a idiot. You think I mean 9/11. So you're saying the war on Iraq wasn't a problem that he made himself.

Urm, they were spending a lot before Bush was president? The debt was already in the trillions before Bush was president? This isnt something that just sneaked up on us in the past 4 years.

Fool, you start whining on about how congress was spending so much money, then I replied that isn't new and doesn't explain the massive increase in spending.

Sure I can, thats just opinion.

It's a fact, President bush is dumb you all know it, how can you deny that? You just completely dismissed something about bush because you couldn't argue against something against bush.

I dont quite follow you in this comment. I dont know when he has stabbed republicans in the back...

About the boxes, does it matter, really? A lot more that Kerry saying 3 words
Its about American pride, something you wouldnt understand. Just as I wouldnt understand the pride you have in your country.

No, it was nothing about stabbing the republicans in the back, if they did they wouldn't notice. You said "Bush and Kerry said they would have a clean campaign" Very nice. I think you had a typo you put pride instead of "bullshit". I don’t think my country would be proud of something like that.. It just embarrassed your country further

How so? He has already folded against any oposition he has faced. He has changed stances on everything, too weak to stay with it. Its not really odd, its called taking facts and using them.

Well, he’s stuck with cutting funds to intelligence, with the whole world looking at him he couldn't possibly "bend" under terrorism.

You still dont seem to understand the effects of terrorism. It is not something I can explain to you with words. It is emotional, people were devestated. People still are devestated. The attacks cut us deep, the reprecussions still sounding.nothing gets past you True, much time has passed and for that, the economy is going back up.

Err.., I wouldn't expect it to go down..

Your blind. Your ignorant.argh, the irony

Wow I have two things in common with Bush. You're the one who is blind, you bitch and bitch about one of Kerry problems and you don't seem to realise Bush has made much more.

Another thing you said about Kerry is that he would spend money on “this and that†when Bush is willing to spend money on “healthy marriage initiative.†Bullshit, 1.5 million in fact.

Well, I’ll add some more tomorrow.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Well, I really couldn't give a shit about you're last paragraph of bullshit.

Alright, at least I have sparked a bit of interest in your debate. Just dont let your anger at me disturb your rationale.

But how is that "bullshit"?
It is all true according to what you have said. You said yourself you do not support the war, thus you would rather Saddam still be in power. Apparently you support Kerry and his Intellignce cutting agenda, else you wouldnt defend him so avidly. By doing so, you must want terrorism to still be around or you would want the Intelligence needed to stop them.

I did not make anything up, I merely went by what you have been saying these past couple days.

Kerry has stuck with cutting some of the excess funding of intelligence, the problem that Kerry was criticising had nothing to do with money, just complete incompetence, stop bitching about this over and over and over...

Slow your roll.
It has everything to do with money. Kerry voted to cut funding to the Intelligence agencies, even quoted to saying he would like the CIA to be abolished. Now after saying ALL this and voting against all the Intelligence, he criticizes Bush for the lack of it. That is a ridiculous stance. It is not acceptable.

I wont stop "bitching", until you understand what this means, as so far you havent. This is a big deal, a very big deal.

Ha, the article a copied this off was criticizing bush. “The debt will be cut in half if everyone works togetherâ€, I found this funny. “Once it is finished they might pay the American people back†This "plan" will not work.

If it doesnt work, it will be for people like you. People who cannot see beyond the short-term. All you people can see is the temporary increase of debt, you cannot see the long-term advantages.

They will pay us back, that is, if you liberals let it happen.

Well, why quote a load of meaningless babble? I'll just quote this. You're a idiot. You think I mean 9/11.

Umm...you directly replied to me saying 3 things.

1. 9/11
2. Saddam
3. Terrorism

You replied saying "them" problems were created by Bush himself, not specifying that you decided to ignore 9/11. If there was a problem in communication, it was you. You would be the idiot.

So you're saying the war on Iraq wasn't a problem that he made himself.

How could it possibly be? Bush and the decision to go to war is not a "problem" it is a solution. A solution that takes sacrifice and time to complete. Saddam was the problem, him and the other Islamic extremists who continue to terrorize.

Fool, you start whining on about how congress was spending so much money, then I replied that isn't new and doesn't explain the massive increase in spending.

You just contradicted yourself.
This is how it happened...
I was whining about the spending.
You were whining about the "increase" of debt.
I told you the spending was the reason for the debt. I want the spending to stop. You dont.
You keep talking about the incredible jump in the national debt, which I dont understand, because there hasnt been a giant increase. There has been a steady increase.

You still seem to be confused with what you want. I know for a fact what I want.

It's a fact, President bush is dumb you all know it, how can you deny that? You just completely dismissed something about bush because you couldn't argue against something against bush.

Nope. He isnt an idiot, how can you not deny it?
You see, we can keep this childish game about who is "stupid" and an "idiot", but that doesnt change anything. You think he is an idiot. Fine, lets move on. Lets move on to the facts.

No, it was nothing about stabbing the republicans in the back, if they did they wouldn't notice. You said "Bush and Kerry said they would have a clean campaign" Very nice. I think you had a typo you put pride instead of "bullshit". I don’t think my country would be proud of something like that.. It just embarrassed your country further

Dont start talking about what countries are proud of what. You are Russian, no? Lets talk politics, not pride. Another point I will let you have, as its not important.

So we (supposedly) covered up the 'made in China' prints. Ok. Should it have been done? Maybe, maybe not. But it is certaintly not something worthy of embaressing an entire country.

Well, he’s stuck with cutting funds to intelligence, with the whole world looking at him he couldn't possibly "bend" under terrorism.

No...He...Hasnt...!!
He now says we dont have ENOUGH Intelligence. Jesus, how many times must I say this before you understand?! John Kerry has completely changed his ideals to make him look better and Bush worse, are you following me this time? Do you understand? I am getting extremely tired of saying this post after post.

Err.., I wouldn't expect it to go down..

WHAT?! Man alive, you dont seem to have a clue! Are you telling me that a national disaster doesnt affect the economy? Can you tell me straight up that it doesnt? Are you willing to cross that line?

You have been hinting at this point the entire debate. State what you believe.

Wow I have two things in common with Bush. You're the one who is blind, you bitch and bitch about one of Kerry problems and you don't seem to realise Bush has made much more.

Mmk. Give me an example, an example with a link, that shows Bush blatantly contradicting himself. I would like to do some serious research on it. Thus far, you have stated your opinion on everything, which is fine to a point, but with opinion fact is needed. I swear I will look into it, I only ask you do the same to what I post.

Another thing you said about Kerry is that he would spend money on “this and that†when Bush is willing to spend money on “healthy marriage initiative.†Bullshit, 1.5 million in fact.

Money will be spent, money will always be spent in government. Ive never stated Bush is going to go through his term without spending a penny. He will.

But, the question is, who has the better plan to cover the spending and who is spending more? Put simply: Kerry will cover by raising taxes, Bush by cutting back government spending.

Well, I’ll add some more tomorrow.

Good times.

 

[sprucegoose]

kerry's a ****tard with a huge forehead and if he wins may god help us all

 

[Ciphus]

You say that by going to war in Iraq was a "problem" that he created. Many here in America don't believe it's a problem at all, they look at is as a solution.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Alright, at least I have sparked a bit of interest in your debate. Just dont let your anger at me disturb your rationale.

Again, this is just some more flames in diguise like last time. Stop fabricating.

But how is that "bullshit"? It is all true according to what you have said. You said yourself you do not support the war, thus you would rather Saddam still be in power. Apparently you support Kerry and his Intellignce cutting agenda, else you wouldnt defend him so avidly. By doing so, you must want terrorism to still be around or you would want the Intelligence needed to stop them.

Yes, I'm a terrorist and I want terrorism to stay I want to rule the world. Hasn't terrorism increased since the war of Iraq. Bush stuck his nose in and made it worse for everyone, Madrid paid for supporting Bush. Terrorism isn't something that can be killed or destroyed, it can only prevented. Bush's "war on terrorism" didn't make anything better. The reason it was bullshit is basically that it bore no relevance and there isn't even a point in replying to it.

Slow your roll. It has everything to do with money. Kerry voted to cut funding to the Intelligence agencies, even quoted to saying he would like the CIA to be abolished. Now after saying ALL this and voting against all the Intelligence, he criticizes Bush for the lack of it. That is a ridiculous stance. It is not acceptable.

I wont stop "bitching", until you understand what this means, as so far you havent. This is a big deal, a very big deal.

He probably said out of hatred from the blunder the CIA made then. The intelligence should be criticized, how was this mistake made? They didn't have enough money to buy a proper scope so they mistaken a crate for toilet roll for WMD. The problem here wasn't money it was either complete incompetence and rash assumptions ot there wasn't a problem, the whole thing was a lie.

If it doesnt work, it will be for people like you. People who cannot see beyond the short-term. All you people can see is the temporary increase of debt, you cannot see the long-term advantages.

They will pay us back, that is, if you liberals let it happen.

I'm not a liberal. If you get your money then it'll go right back to paying for this Mars mission.

You replied saying "them" problems were created by Bush himself, not specifying that you decided to ignore 9/11. If there was a problem in communication, it was you. You would be the idiot.

I was addressing the problems of the war in Iraq, you miss interoperated and jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about 9/11. You start going over the top by typing crap like "You need help because anyone who think Bush creates problems is a mental retard and needs help".

How could it possibly be? Bush and the decision to go to war is not a "problem" it is a solution. A solution that takes sacrifice and time to complete. Saddam was the problem, him and the other Islamic extremists who continue to terrorize.

Have you ever heard of a bad solution? Solutions that set off yet more terrorist attacks. A rushed solution of which the intelligence has been greatly criticized. A solution that the problems it caused could have been avoided.

You just contradicted yourself.
This is how it happened...
I was whining about the spending.
You were whining about the "increase" of debt.
I told you the spending was the reason for the debt. I want the spending to stop. You dont.
You keep talking about the incredible jump in the national debt, which I dont understand, because there hasnt been a giant increase. There has been a steady increase.

You still seem to be confused with what you want. I know for a fact what I want.

Fool, I was saying that the congress was there spending before bush became president now so how does that explain 2 trillion added national debt?

Nope. He isnt an idiot, how can you not deny it?
You see, we can keep this childish game about who is "stupid" and an "idiot", but that doesnt change anything. You think he is an idiot. Fine, lets move on. Lets move on to the facts.

I thought his “speeches†was a clear indication of his intelligence. Most people would agree that bush’s intelligence is below average.

Dont start talking about what countries are proud of what. You are Russian, no? Lets talk politics, not pride. Another point I will let you have, as its not important.

So we (supposedly) covered up the 'made in China' prints. Ok. Should it have been done? Maybe, maybe not. But it is certaintly not something worthy of embaressing an entire country.

I’m not Russian. It’s stupid to blatantly lie like that.

No...He...Hasnt...!!
He now says we dont have ENOUGH Intelligence. Jesus, how many times must I say this before you understand?! John Kerry has completely changed his ideals to make him look better and Bush worse, are you following me this time? Do you understand? I am getting extremely tired of saying this post after post.

He tried to cut funding on the intelligence, there is a massive mistake (or lie). Who wouldn’t criticise that? You keep repeating and going on about this point repeatedly. I don’t know why you do. I’m not saying Kerry is ideal I’m just saying that any of the runners can do a better job than that idiot Bush.

Mmk. Give me an example, an example with a link, that shows Bush blatantly contradicting himself. I would like to do some serious research on it. Thus far, you have stated your opinion on everything, which is fine to a point, but with opinion fact is needed. I swear I will look into it, I only ask you do the same to what I post.

I will, I wasn’t necessarily talking about contradictions but I won’t find this hard.

But, the question is, who has the better plan to cover the spending and who is spending more? Put simply: Kerry will cover by raising taxes, Bush by cutting back government spending.

LOL, yes bush cuts by taking away from education healthcare and can afford to spend it on bullshit like that.

WHAT?! Man alive, you dont seem to have a clue! Are you telling me that a national disaster doesnt affect the economy? Can you tell me straight up that it doesnt? Are you willing to cross that line?

Oh, sorry. I didn’t explain this properly. You said (something like)“the economy has been recovering since 9/11.†I said “I wouldn’t expect it to go down†meaning I wouldn’t expect it to go down even more after 9/11 damaged the economy.

 

[GlockHolliday]

Im voting for Bush, Kerry takes this stance as "oh im just the average joe trying to win back america". BS kerry, you married the heiress to the Heinz fortune and now you are, literally, a mulitbillionare, you're not the average joe, you never will be.

Kerry also seems like he is not only changing his mind too much, but making up his opinions on the spot. When asked what should be done about the gay marriage issue he said that he opposed it, and that he thought that it should be a states rights issue. pardon me but that sentence contradicts itself completely. if its a states rights issue you are giving every state the right to legalize gay marriage, yet you are against it. honestly, he should think before he talks.

Remember at the beginning of the race, when Kerry was the underdog who was thought of more as a conservative than a liberal? then somebody accused him of being too liberal and he went on an outrage about how he is a liberal. ever since then its almost like hes been reading a book on how to be a liberal. Chapter 1: Admitting you're a liberal, Chapter 2: Attacking conservatives, Chapter 3: turn attention away from your own horribly misconstrued views by attacking more conservatives...

Kerry also said he planned to move more soldiers out of Iraq, and bring in more peacekeeping corps. This is what i had the most trouble with. What kind of idiotic move is that?! I have friends in Iraq saying that yes there are lots of attacks over there, but that's their job, to keep those attacks in Iraq so they dont come over to America, and judging by the number of recent terrorist attacks on American soil, id say they are doing a pretty good job. What kerry wants to do is a clinton-type move, he wants to take the military out and put peacekeeping missions in. first of all, those people are not equipped to be doing peacekeeping missions in a warzone. you think the number of attacks over there is bad now? wait till you get "NATO requested backup" organizations in there trying to reason with terrorists using pacifism.

Kerry is not the worst of the liberals, but he sure aint crystal clear.

 

[Above_70Percent]

gore shouldve and did win

 

[GlockHolliday]

when gore lost the election and started doing those speeches at college campuses i went to one. good lord that man has lost his mind. im glad i didnt vote for him. everybody sees how crazy he is now.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Im voting for Bush,

America is doomed.

Kerry takes this stance as "oh im just the average joe trying to win back america". BS kerry, you married the heiress to the Heinz fortune and now you are, literally, a mulitbillionare, you're not the average joe, you never will be.

Really?

Kerry also seems like he is not only changing his mind too much, but making up his opinions on the spot. When asked what should be done about the gay marriage issue he said that he opposed it, and that he thought that it should be a states rights issue. pardon me but that sentence contradicts itself completely. if its a states rights issue you are giving every state the right to legalize gay marriage, yet you are against it. honestly, he should think before he talks.

I never said he wasn't a moron, he's just better than bush. I'd like to see this quote

Kerry also said he planned to move more soldiers out of Iraq, and bring in more peacekeeping corps. This is what i had the most trouble with. What kind of idiotic move is that?! I have friends in Iraq saying that yes there are lots of attacks over there, but that's their job, to keep those attacks in Iraq so they dont come over to America, and judging by the number of recent terrorist attacks on American soil, id say they are doing a pretty good job. What kerry wants to do is a clinton-type move, he wants to take the military out and put peacekeeping missions in. first of all, those people are not equipped to be doing peacekeeping missions in a warzone. you think the number of attacks over there is bad now? wait till you get "NATO requested backup" organizations in there trying to reason with terrorists using pacifism.

WTF! "Thier jobs are to keep terrorist attacks on Iraqi soil" You don't give a shit about terrorist attacks unless they hit American soil. Do you know why there are constant terrorist attacks in Iraq? It's because they want to troops out of there, they see the Americans as occupying forces. They need time to settle, you need the troops out of there soon and peacekeepers might help but they'll most likely be another target. "by the number of recent terrorist attacks on American soil, id say they are doing a pretty good job." Tell me, how many terrorist attacks were there in clintons reign?

 

[Lights]

Im going to stop the debate we are having, ORC, not because I feel you have won, but because we have said all there has been needed to say. You shared your views, I shared mine, we both disagreed with one another, we continued to repeat ourselves.

Im not saying that Im not going to continue with this thread, I am. Only, we can begin to talk about new things.



Anywho, about the increase of terrorist attacks. It can, in a very different outlook, be considered a positive. The thing with terrorist attacks, they had always spent much much time between attacks, planning, training, and preparing. Now they arent. They know America is on their butt and they are getting desperate. Attacks are coming more frequently to scare us off (It worked with Spain), they want nothing more than us to get out of there. The terrorists are scared, they are on their heels. For this, we must press on. See it to the end or it was all for nothing.


Erm, I just noticed this has nothing to do with Bush/Kerry, but..uhh...it was important. ^^

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Originally posted by Lights
Im going to stop the debate we are having, ORC, not because I feel you have won, but because we have said all there has been needed to say. You shared your views, I shared mine, we both disagreed with one another, we continued to repeat ourselves.

Im not saying that Im not going to continue with this thread, I am. Only, we can begin to talk about new things. Ok, I must agree with you here



Anywho, about the increase of terrorist attacks. It can, in a very different outlook, be considered a positive. The thing with terrorist attacks, they had always spent much much time between attacks, planning, training, and preparing. Now they arent. They know America is on their butt and they are getting desperate. Attacks are coming more frequently to scare us off (It worked with Spain), they want nothing more than us to get out of there. The terrorists are scared, they are on their heels. For this, we must press on. See it to the end or it was all for nothing.
You can't just destroy terrorism, while there are people, there will be people who want to hurt other people. The terrorists are attacking more often.... but they still have time to plan ect ect We haven't managed to stop a massive attack like this recently, or have we?

Erm, I just noticed this has nothing to do with Bush/Kerry, but..uhh...it was important. ^^