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There seem to be a lot of topics our there that aren't intended to be like this but eventually veer to this debate. Let's all just post who we would like to see win and why.

Personally, I would HATE to see Kerry in office. Do some research on the cuts he wanted to make to the intellegence community. He couldn't find one other senator to support him. People think our intellegence failed in Iraq, but think how bad it really would be if Kerry got his way. His voting record speaks volumes. He voted for the war in Iraq, now he's against it. He voted for the Patriot Act, now he speaks out against it. Even though, he's said he wouldn't get rid of it. Well if it's not bad enough to get rid off, quit speaking out so harshly against it. Then the whole scenario he went through when he came back from Vietnam. I know many vets who absolutely HATE him for what he did. Throwing his metals on the steps of the capital building out of disgust, that is flat out ridiculous.

Bush might not be the perfect president. Maybe the reasons for going to Iraq weren't presented properly, but I think mostly everyone agrees that Iraq, and the middle east, are better off w/out Saddam.

Also, just to throw this in, go Nader!
 

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Currently my support goes for anyone who doesn't want to cut funds for education. I don't like either Bush or Kerry. Bush passed the Patriot Act and even though the No Child Left Behind Act was passed by him he cuut funding for education afterwards. Kerry is just a George W. Bush in disguise.
 

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Lol you're never going to vote. Kerry changed his mind, I don't see much wrong with that, too much money is going to intellegence. Throwing money at it won't work. I haven't heard much good about either though, bush comes off a lot worse.
 

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I already made a post bout thiz.
 

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Kerry is a dolt. He doesnt have a clue.

He voted to cut the Intelligence and CIA out of America because, (paraphrasing) "The world is safe (now that the Cold War is over) and intelligence is not needed."
Now he attacks Bush because of lack of Intelligence?!! WHAT?! This guy has no clue. Heres a link...

This is merely the tip of the ice on this guy's 'contradiction addiction'. :confused:
 

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Thank you. And I know Kerry has changed his mind. But the fact of the matter is...he has changed his mind on mostly EVERY major issue. I want him to take a stand and hold firm on it, and I haven't seen him do that yet. Once he takes a stand on SOMETHING I might be a little pleased.

It's not just a matter of changing minds. He won't take a stand on anything and therefore doesn't, IMHO, deserve a lot of respect.
 

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Originally posted by Ciphus
Thank you. And I know Kerry has changed his mind. But the fact of the matter is...he has changed his mind on mostly EVERY major issue. I want him to take a stand and hold firm on it, and I haven't seen him do that yet. Once he takes a stand on SOMETHING I might be a little pleased.

It's not just a matter of changing minds. He won't take a stand on anything and therefore doesn't, IMHO, deserve a lot of respect.
Hah, thats putting it nicely.
Its not that he has only changed his mind, but its that he has done a complete 180 on every important topic.
Contradicting himself, say, every day?

Once he takes a stand? You cant ever know. How can we elect a president, when it is a proven fact he will change his mind on everything he stands for? You cant trust him. Period.
 

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Changing you're mind is a lot better than standing for something that is wrong, its ok for him to 2nd guess his actions. Insulting intellegence and voting for cutting it isn't contradiction, he probally just doesn't want money thrown at it. This flaw in intellence had nothin to do with the money the service gets, it was either false, or they wern't trained good enough or the information was premature and they didn't wait to confirm it.
 

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Orc you gotta understand.
Hes changed his stance on major issues for every state his campaigns gone through. Hes not merley changing his mind hes trying to please the locals then if anyone claims he won't take a strong stance he uses his respectful history as a scapegoat that we can trust him. Hes bassicly manipulating people. The sad part are all these people who don't see it or will vote for him anyways.
 

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If the locals feel its wrong, maybe changed there mind into thinking its wrong, why can't he? His reasons for going against what he voted for earlier can't be purely motivated by what the locals think. I guess it can be interpret as bad but.. isn't a president a server of the public. Out of kerry and Bush, I would make sure Bush doesn't win.
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Changing you're mind is a lot better than standing for something that is wrong, its ok for him to 2nd guess his actions. Insulting intellegence and voting for cutting it isn't contradiction, he probally just doesn't want money thrown at it. This flaw in intellence had nothin to do with the money the service gets, it was either false, or they wern't trained good enough or the information was premature and they didn't wait to confirm it.
Nonono, this goes way beyond second guessing actions. What Kerry is attempting to do is no different than cutting off someones legs than insulting them for losing a foot race.

Kerry not wanting money thrown at it?! Hah, do you know who Kerry is?! He's wanting to spend billions upon billions of dollars on anything and everything. He wants to raise everyones taxes so he can spend more of our money. No my friend, money is not the problem.

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
If the locals feel its wrong, maybe changed there mind into thinking its wrong, why can't he? His reasons for going against what he voted for earlier can't be purely motivated by what the locals think. I guess it can be interpret as bad but.. isn't a president a server of the public. Out of kerry and Bush, I would make sure Bush doesn't win.
The majority of the voting class are uneducated buffoons, having no idea whats going on.

Changing your stance when it just happens to be what the public wants and just happens to make you seem better is unexcusable. As I have said earlier, you cannot elect a president who is so soft. We need a strong leader in these tough times.
 

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i think kerry is ugly and i hope bush will win because hes a good president in my opinion, if i could i would vote for him
 

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Nonono, this goes way beyond second guessing actions. What Kerry is attempting to do is no different than cutting off someones legs than insulting them for losing a foot race.
Money had nothing to do with this mistake, the reason this either imcompetence or falsification wasn't because of a lack of money, the military are sqaundering too much money and you know it.
Kerry not wanting money thrown at it?! Hah, do you know who Kerry is?! He's wanting to spend billions upon billions of dollars on anything and everything. He wants to raise everyones taxes so he can spend more of our money. No my friend, money is not the problem.
What does he want to spend billions on? America owes 7 trillion, thats internation debt my friend, and you're saying thats not a problem? So Bush, with his well, idea to keep him in favour lowered taxes and made it worse. Imagine this: You've just ran up a ton a debt for you're company then to keep yourself in favour and to stop you're manager status is being threatened you make it so the company gets less income by cutting prices or hightening wages, whatever. Does anyone else thinks thats a dumn Idea?
The majority of the voting class are uneducated buffoons, having no idea whats going on.
Thanks, but I already know how bush got elected.
Changing your stance when it just happens to be what the public wants and just happens to make you seem better is unexcusable. As I have said earlier, you cannot elect a president who is so soft. We need a strong leader in these tough times
What you need is a flexible leader that will strive to help the public and will admit when he is wrong and do something about it.
i think kerry is ugly and i hope bush will win because hes a good president in my opinion, if i could i would vote for him
:rolleyes please don't vote...
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
Money had nothing to do with this mistake, the reason this either imcompetence or falsification wasn't because of a lack of money, the military are sqaundering too much money and you know it.


Squandering? I wouldnt use the word squandering, for homeland security is more important than education/welfare etc., in times of war. The money being spent on our military is being well spent.

What does he want to spend billions on?
Well...
1. $230 Billion for health care
2. $665 Billion for the uninsured (health care)
3. Random millions on this and that.

Of course, he plans to do this by excessively raising taxes.

America owes 7 trillion, thats internation debt my friend, and you're saying thats not a problem? So Bush, with his well, idea to keep him in favour lowered taxes and made it worse. Imagine this: You've just ran up a ton a debt for you're company then to keep yourself in favour and to stop you're manager status is being threatened you make it so the company gets less income by cutting prices or hightening wages, whatever. Does anyone else thinks thats a dumn Idea?
That a fact? Made it worse, eh?

I guess you do not realize the economy is back up to where it was in '99 after having the hard drop due to 9/11. And I guess you did not know the unemploymet rate is a mere .1% higher than it was under Clinton in 1996. Quite incredible considering all the obstacles and is still slightly below the historical average.

I am also guessing the fact, that the economy has grown at its fastest pace over the last quarter than it has since 1983, you must have missed.

Do you assume George Bush is responsible for the national debt? Hardly so, he is trying to cut it down as much as possible by boosting the economy. The debt has not stopped rising since 1791, when it was only $75 mil. This problem cannot be laid at the feel of one man.

Thanks, but I already know how bush got elected.
Apparently you do not.
Bush did not receive the majority of the votes, Gore did. Bush was able to get the votes that truly mattered.
Check your info.


What you need is a flexible leader that will strive to help the public and will admit when he is wrong and do something about it.
Rofl, tell that to Kerry. He wont even apologize after calling the Republicans "liars" and "crooked".

We dont need a flexible leader who will bend under that weight of terrorism, as Kerry has shown he will. We need a strong leader who will stand and fight against it.
 

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Squandering? I wouldnt use the word squandering, for homeland security is more important than education/welfare etc., in times of war. The money being spent on our military is being well spent.
You're military has got way too much money, and what do they have to show for it? Incorrect intelligence?
Well...
1. $230 Billion for health care
2. $665 Billion for the uninsured (health care)
3. Random millions on this and that.

Of course, he plans to do this by excessively raising taxes.
Oh, sorry healthcare is useless rolleyes: Britain would be grateful for that kind of money being spent of healthcare. Maybe he cutting education funds so he can brainwash Americans easier.

In the condition your country’s in, raising is a lot better than lowering. You call yourself a patriot, and support your president when you give less money to your country.
That a fact? Made it worse, eh?
What obsticles has Bush face? 9/11 is the only one I can think of. How would 9/11 seriously affect the employment.
I am also guessing the fact, that the economy has grown at its fastest pace over the last quarter than it has since 1983, you must have missed.
I really would hope your economy grew especially with all that oil.... Last quarter of what?
Do you assume George Bush is responsible for the national debt? Hardly so, he is trying to cut it down as much as possible by boosting the economy. The debt has not stopped rising since 1791, when it was only $75 mil. This problem cannot be laid at the feel of one man.
$75 mil would've of been a lot back then. How is he boosting the economy? If what you said is right, bush has increased the national debt in 4 years by the amount that it took (approximately) 30 years to run up.
Congratulations lights, US national debt has reached 7,112,828,157,511.08
“The estimated population of the United States is 293,527,301
so each citizen's share of this debt is $24,232.32. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $2.00 billion per day since September 30, 2003!â€

Maybe if them tax cuts didn’t happen the debt might of not risen so much.
Heres a quote from a website commentating on one of Bush’s interviews:

“#266 - The President Unhinged, Part II
More sounding off from Sunday's Meet the Press interview on NBC.
Russert: The General Accounting Office, which are the nation's auditors
President Bush: Yeah.
Russert: have done a study of our finances.
President Bush: Um hmm.
Russert: And this is what your legacy will be to the next generation. It says that our “current fiscal policy is unsustainable.†They did a computer simulation that shows that balancing the budget in 2040 could require either cutting total Federal spending in half or doubling Federal taxes.
President Bush: Um hmm.
Russert: How why, as a fiscal conservative as you like to call yourself, would you allow a $500 billion deficit and this kind of deficit disaster?
President Bush: Sure. The budget I just proposed to the Congress cuts the deficit in half in five years.
Now, I don't know what the assumptions are in the GAO report, but I do know that if Congress is wise with the people's money, we can cut the deficit in half. And at that point in time, as a percentage of GDP, the deficit will be relatively low.
I agree with the assessment that we've got some long term financial issues we must look at, and that's one reason I asked Congress to deal with Medicare. I strongly felt that if we didn't have an element of competition, that if we weren't modern with the Medicare program, if we didn't incorporate what's called "health savings accounts" to encourage Americans to take more control over their healthcare decisions, we would have even a worse financial picture in the long run.
[...]
Russert: But your base conservatives and listen to Rush Limbaugh, the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, they're all saying you are the biggest spender in American history.
President Bush: Well, they're wrong.
Russert: Mr. President
President Bush: If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent, and ours have steadily declined.
And the other thing that I think it's important for people who watch the expenditures side of the equation is to understand we are at war, Tim, and any time you commit your troops into harm's way, they must have the best equipment, the best training, and the best possible pay. That's where we owe it to their loved ones.
Russert: That's a very important point. Every president since the Civil War who has gone to war has raised taxes, not cut them.
President Bush: Yeah.
Russert: Raised to pay for it. Why not say, I will not cut taxes any more until we have balanced the budget? If our situation is so precious and delicate because of the war, why do you keep cutting taxes and draining money from the treasury?
President Bush: Well, because I believe that the best way to stimulate economic growth is to let people keep more of their own money. And I believe that if you raise taxes as the economy is beginning to recover from really tough times, you will slow down economic growth. You will make it harder.

More incredulousness:
1. "The budget I just proposed to the Congress cuts the deficit in half in five years." Translation: My talking points say 'deflect all deficit questions. Remind the public that we're halving the deficit - making it much less, not more.'
2. "Now, I don't know what the assumptions are in the GAO report...." Translation: I just do what they tell me to do.
3. "I agree with the assessment that we've got some long term financial issues we must look at, and that's one reason I asked Congress to deal with Medicare." Translation: My talking points say 'deflect all deficit questions. Talk about Medicare. Americans care about health care, not fuzzy economic numbers.'
4. "Well, they're wrong." Translation: Rush, Heritage and CATO are not lovers of freedom and democracy.
5. "If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent, and ours have steadily declined." Ahem: "With Bush's budget plan for FY2004, real non-defense discretionary outlays will rise 18.0 percent in his first three years in office (FY2002-FY2004). That growth far exceeds the first three years of any recent presidential term, including Ronald Reagan's first term (-13.5 percent), Reagan's second term (-3.2 percent), George H. Bush's term (11.6 percent), Bill Clinton's first term (-0.7 percent), and Clinton's second term (8.2 percent)
6. "Well, because I believe that the best way to stimulate economic growth is to let people keep more of their own money." Translation: Poor people need to work harder. My friends are rich, and they work hard. So I'm giving them their money back. Plus, Dick says it will work.â€
Apparently you do not.
Bush did not receive the majority of the votes, Gore did. Bush was able to get the votes that truly mattered.
Check your info
Yeah, yeah bush won in court.. The public doesn’t matter huh? Why didn’t Al Gore win I wonder?
Rofl, tell that to Kerry. He wont even apologize after calling the Republicans "liars" and "crooked".
Well, a lot of them are, and that is a really important matter *sarcasm†:/.
We dont need a flexible leader who will bend under that weight of terrorism, as Kerry has shown he will. We need a strong leader who will stand and fight against it
How has Kerry shown this?
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
You're military has got way too much money, and what do they have to show for it? Incorrect intelligence?
Military spending == not Intelligence.
At least the Intelligence you are talking about. They are two different organizations.

Btw - Kerry voted to shut down the Intelligence by means of cutting off all funding.


Oh, sorry healthcare is useless rolleyes: Britain would be grateful for that kind of money being spent of healthcare. Maybe he cutting education funds so he can brainwash Americans easier.
Your missing the point.
Kerry is wanting to add to this debt you are talking about by $900 billion. He is trying to spend money we dont have.

In the condition your country’s in, raising is a lot better than lowering. You call yourself a patriot, and support your president when you give less money to your country.
You are a very odd person.
You insult Bush, who you believe is the sole responsibility of our debts, than accuse me of giving less money to my country? Please tell me if I am missing something here, as I am quite confused.

What obsticles has Bush face? 9/11 is the only one I can think of. How would 9/11 seriously affect the employment.
Err...9/11 isnt just an "only one" like it is no big deal. The attack was the greatest single terroristice attack on America, not something you just blow off. Not to mention the entire Iraqi war and the War on Terror. This hasnt been an uneventful term by any stretch of the imagination.

How could it not effect the emploment? As you know, after the attacks America whirled into a recession. No one would fly planes, no one would spend big money on anything. Companies werent making any money, they couldnt afford to keep all their employess. Jobs were laid off.

I shouldnt have to tell you this. This is common sense. :\

I really would hope your economy grew especially with all that oil.... Last quarter of what?
Ignorance.
You still believe it was about the oil. Sad. You need to wake up and realize there are more important things going on than oil.

The years are divided into quarters. So, it was the last 3 months of '03.

$75 mil would've of been a lot back then. How is he boosting the economy? If what you said is right, bush has increased the national debt in 4 years by the amount that it took (approximately) 30 years to run up.
Ohmygosh...it was Bush who spent all that money?! He single-handedly spent all the billions of dollars?! Wow, I never knew.

You seem to forget all the other aspects of the government. Do you not think state and local governments are not spending more than plenty on their own? Do you not even think that, oh say Congress, isnt passing many of their own ideas which cost incredibly large amounts themselves?

You give the President (not Bush, but the position) too much credit. Sure, hes at the top, but many many things can be done without his consent.

Congratulations lights, US national debt has reached 7,112,828,157,511.08
“The estimated population of the United States is 293,527,301
so each citizen's share of this debt is $24,232.32. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $2.00 billion per day since September 30, 2003!â€
...ok?
What is the point of this, are you trying to tell me something I aready know?
The republicans have plans, and if America pulled together and worked at it, it ill work to decrease this debt. But, America wont work together to reach a common goal, we are too stupid.


Maybe if them tax cuts didn’t happen the debt might of not risen so much.
Wow, you are ignorant.
You believe the debt is going up because of tax cuts? You dont seem to understand how this works.

When people recieve tax cuts, they get money back. They spend this money, the economy goes up and the government easily gets back the taxcuts just through the new taxes recieved from the new business. Busineses get cuts, they can use this money to make more product, then sell it, more money. Its all about boosting the economy, giving it a kick start.

I find it so odd how you think. You think in almost a contradictory manner.

You whine and complain about the national debt, you think it is all the presidents fault. But when it comes down to fixing the problem, you arent willing to accept sacrifice. Programs must be cut in order to rid ourselves of this debt. Spending must be stopped. Health care, veterans pay, education, must all suffer sacrifice in order to achieve a larger goal. I agree that the national debt is a tremendous problem, but are you willing to get rid of it?

More incredulousness:
1. "The budget I just proposed to the Congress cuts the deficit in half in five years." Translation: My talking points say 'deflect all deficit questions. Remind the public that we're halving the deficit - making it much less, not more.'
2. "Now, I don't know what the assumptions are in the GAO report...." Translation: I just do what they tell me to do.
3. "I agree with the assessment that we've got some long term financial issues we must look at, and that's one reason I asked Congress to deal with Medicare." Translation: My talking points say 'deflect all deficit questions. Talk about Medicare. Americans care about health care, not fuzzy economic numbers.'
4. "Well, they're wrong." Translation: Rush, Heritage and CATO are not lovers of freedom and democracy.
5. "If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent, and ours have steadily declined." Ahem: "With Bush's budget plan for FY2004, real non-defense discretionary outlays will rise 18.0 percent in his first three years in office (FY2002-FY2004). That growth far exceeds the first three years of any recent presidential term, including Ronald Reagan's first term (-13.5 percent), Reagan's second term (-3.2 percent), George H. Bush's term (11.6 percent), Bill Clinton's first term (-0.7 percent), and Clinton's second term (8.2 percent)
6. "Well, because I believe that the best way to stimulate economic growth is to let people keep more of their own money." Translation: Poor people need to work harder. My friends are rich, and they work hard. So I'm giving them their money back. Plus, Dick says it will work.â€
I am not even going to bother with your biased comments. Just by skimming through I can see your ignorance shining like the sun. :\

Yeah, yeah bush won in court.. The public doesn’t matter huh? Why didn’t Al Gore win I wonder?
It almost seems foolish for me to continue this debate with you. You dont have the slightest idea how American government works. Do some studying.

Al Gore didnt win because he didnt get the electorial votes needed to win. Bush won the states of more importance (Dont attack me for saying that, thats how it works). Honestly, you are making a fool of yourself from some of your comments. Think before you post.

Well, a lot of them are, and that is a really important matter *sarcasm†:/.
It is a important matter.
Kerry and Bush agreed to run a clean campaign. Than kerry goes off and says this? Its no different than a stab in the back.

How has Kerry shown this?
Are you kidding? Are you really this blind?

Kerry hasn't stayed strong on a single topic in his entire political career. Hes switched sides on every important issue, every one. He is weak, flexibale. We dont want a flexible leader.
 

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Btw - Kerry voted to shut down the Intelligence by means of cutting off all funding
I get the impression you're not telling me the whole story.
Your missing the point. Kerry is wanting to add to this debt you are talking about by $900 billion. He is trying to spend money we dont have.
So is bush. "President Bush, saying the economic recovery is firmly in place, yesterday proposed adding $1 trillion to the national debt to fund the cost of shifting to a partially privatized Social Security system." 100 billion more infact.
You are a very odd person.You insult Bush, who you believe is the sole responsibility of our debts, than accuse me of giving less money to my country? Please tell me if I am missing something here, as I am quite confused.
Urm.. you support him because he made it so you don't have to pay as much taxes, greed. Bush did this as a desperate attempt to please the American public, he doesn't care about the country, he cares about his own selfish arse.
Err...9/11 isnt just an "only one" like it is no big deal. The attack was the greatest single terroristice attack on America, not something you just blow off. Not to mention the entire Iraqi war and the War on Terror. This hasnt been an uneventful term by any stretch of the imagination.
Bush created them problems himself, I meant problems that he had no control over.
How could it not effect the emploment? As you know, after the attacks America whirled into a recession. No one would fly planes, no one would spend big money on anything. Companies werent making any money, they couldnt afford to keep all their employess. Jobs were laid off.
People still bought things companies still made some money, America needed extra people to clean the mess up and not that many people were laid off. They still needed people to go back to work after the event, its not like because of the terrorist attack things were more efficient and they needed less people after. You've had time to recover and what about the people who died? Wouldn't their jobs be empty and need someone to fill their shoes.
Ignorance. You still believe it was about the oil. Sad. You need to wake up and realize there are more important things going on than oil.
Gee, you think?
Ohmygosh...it was Bush who spent all that money?! He single-handedly spent all the billions of dollars?! Wow, I never knew.
Most of it, him being president explains it.
You seem to forget all the other aspects of the government. Do you not think state and local governments are not spending more than plenty on their own? Do you not even think that, oh say Congress, isnt passing many of their own ideas which cost incredibly large amounts themselves?
Urm, wouldn't they have been spending a lot before bush was president, this doesn't explain it.
You whine and complain about the national debt, you think it is all the presidents fault. But when it comes down to fixing the problem, you arent willing to accept sacrifice. Programs must be cut in order to rid ourselves of this debt. Spending must be stopped. Health care, veterans pay, education, must all suffer sacrifice in order to achieve a larger goal. I agree that the national debt is a tremendous problem, but are you willing to get rid of it?
I don't live in America and if I did why would a sacrifice for him spending so much on bloody military when I don't even support it. Why doesn't he cut funding to ****ing military instead of making every other bugger in America suffer.
Al Gore didnt win because he didnt get the electorial votes needed to win. Bush won the states of more importance (Dont attack me for saying that, thats how it works). Honestly, you are making a fool of yourself from some of your comments. Think before you post.
WTF, if you mean states as in the areas that is completely screwed up. So if I move to Texas I will become a more important person than if I live in a another state.
I am not even going to bother with your biased comments. Just by skimming through I can see your ignorance shining like the sun. :\
My biased comments? You can't argue with it, YOUR PRESIDENT IS A IDIOT!
It is a important matter.Kerry and Bush agreed to run a clean campaign. Than kerry goes off and says this? Its no different than a stab in the back.
Bush doesn't know the meaning of clean; don't you believe actions are more important than words? Why would be a stab in the back was he siding with the repubs? Then he said that? Oh yeah for the record this is not ok.this
Kerry hasn't stayed strong on a single topic in his entire political career. Hes switched sides on every important issue, every one. He is weak, flexibale. We dont want a flexible leader.
So this means he will bend under terrorism? Odd assumption. So let’s give a hypothetical situation, let’s say if the president nuked a country when he received information before hand that would mean that the attack might not be warranted but he isn't flexible enough to think he’s wrong. He blows the world up (nuclear war).

Call me blind ignorant or whatever you want, but the fact is: Even I would do a better job than Bush. http://www.opednews.com/kall memes_to_beat_bush_with.htm http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m2633/4_16/92725506/p3/article.jhtml?term=
 

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You are making comments you don't even have a clue about. Learn about Americas Electoral College and you will see why Bush won. It was Gore that tried stealing the presidency in courts. Get a clue, then comment.
 

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