Affirmative action

[shutupandgoaway]

What are you're views on affirmative action?Is anyone on here for it?I'd be interested to hear some good arguments for it, as I have yet to hear any.

 

[dust601]

I'm all for it.
Lets **** over people and give it to less qualified people from discrimination that took place in the past.
Fair? who needs fair when we can screw honest hard working people for someone who may not have worked quite as hard.

*ponders if sarcasm was evident enough.

 

[JeFfDiddy78]

im against it...if a black kid and a white kid apply to the same collage and the white kid say has better grades they pick the black one.
Martin Luther King said it best "People should be judged by the content of there charcter and not by the color of there skin."

 

[amrtin77]

yeah... the naacp has won its fight... now when they go further they become hypocritical and go against the equality they once stood for.

 

[B)ushid(o]

Choosing people based on the color of their skin is still racism even if it is helping minorities. I'm against it.

 

[Misterwhippy]

If somone wants to higher a more qualifyed white man over a black man, then they should be allowed to, simple as that.

 

[Ciphus]

I'm so against it. All it is doing is turning racism against minorites against the majority. Minorites say they don't want race to matter and they just want to be equal, yet they are all for Affirmative Action. Maybe a little hypocrasy (sp) going on there.

 

[Gedrin]

If somone wants to higher a more qualifyed white man over a black man, then they should be allowed to, simple as that.

True but we should not force companies to hire people based on race. This is my problem with the system. I'm not saying that we should not punish those companies that discriminate based on race. We also should not force a company to discriminate against qualified applicants just because there are not a lot of minorities in the area and they need one for a quota.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Well, i'm guessing this is another idiotic bush stunt. Well, heres a link which isn't exactly about affirmative action. http://www.maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart Heres a quote from it. "What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT. Nobody wants to pay you for your half-assed work if someone else can do it better. That's what America is all about." There are 0 good reasons for giving someone a job because they are the minority.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Look, if theese ethonic minoritys can't cut it, TOUGH SHIT. Being racist against the majourity isn't the smartest thing to do. I'm guessing this is another idiotic bush thing. I mean why would any employer want to employ someone less qualified no matter what. There are 0 good reasons for this.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by Gedrin
True but we should not force companies to hire people based on race. This is my problem with the system. I'm not saying that we should not punish those companies that discriminate based on race. We also should not force a company to discriminate against qualified applicants just because there are not a lot of minorities in the area and they need one for a quota.

There is no such thing as affirmative action in the private sector. There are laws that prevent discrimination, but nothing that says you must employ X amount of ethincs.

Affirmative action is a government standard by which government agencies must employ a ratio of ethnicity. It also applies to federally funded colleges and universities.

 

[Above_70Percent]

I too think it is unfair. The only thing reasonable I think, to help black people, is instead of giving money to people here, give it to the countries we took the people from. Back in the old days only the strongest people were choscen to be slaves and the weaker were left behind. So now many tribes have died becasue they do not have the strength to carry on.

 

[Gedrin]

There is no such thing as affirmative action in the private sector. There are laws that prevent discrimination, but nothing that says you must employ X amount of ethincs.

http://www.battleforums.com/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=59671

"22% of the total civilian workforce" That seems like quite a bit to me. A bit more than 1 out of every 5 companies that are considered civilian is quite few.

Lets try a bit of research before trying to state opinion as fact next time.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Ok.. Why did you post a link that leads to what i'm writing now?
For once i'm siding with nuts, yes you said there are 22% of these people in the workforce but he was saying that there isn't a law that forces you to imploy a certain amount of ethnics no matter what. I haven't bothered to look up anything but, i don't have to and i'm just going off what you lot have said.

50 cent, ever heard of all these charitys for places like africa ect. If they are doing this whole, 'you must employ 25% of you're workforce base on ethnic origins they are failing miserablely at trying to fight racism.g

 

[Nuts]

Thank you ORC-r0x0r-ROC

Posted by Gedrin
Lets try a bit of research before trying to state opinion as fact next time.

Why don't you supply some evidence to prove me wrong instead of placing strange circular links that lead to nowhere? Affirmative action is a government mandated program that does not apply to the civil sector. I should mention one exclusion, and that is private companies whom do at least $50,000 worth of business to the government, this is one of the few exceptions.

 

[Gedrin]

i'm not sure why the link came through like that. Here it is though.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/ofccp/aa.htm

all I know is the site went down a minute after I poted it for maintenance so I couldn't check it. Tha tmay be the reason for the odd link. Though I suppose it is possible I somehow copied the wrong url, but in any case I usually check my links, this time I couldn't.

Anyway here is a better reason why I don't like affermative action in its current state http://home.sandiego.edu/~e_cook/vault/medical/michigan/umich-med-97.html

 

[Static]

i think the comedy show Reno911 said it best with that Anthrax homeland security episode....

well There was a spanish General (or whatever the highest rank is in that) and a asain Lt.... The spanish guy was explaining her record of education and it was like masters at yale (or some big college) and other different kinda of awards. it was a long list.

and then he said I got into community college with affirmative action. I couldnt stop laughing.


I really think it f*cks hard working people over. Its sad just because the blacks have a hard life they get jobs for it.... They made it hard not us. its 90% black gangs in "the hood" so its bassically their fault.

 

[OniSyphon]

Originally posted by Static
I really think it f*cks hard working people over. Its sad just because the blacks have a hard life they get jobs for it.... They made it hard not us. its 90% black gangs in "the hood" so its bassically their fault.

Yeah what the hell are black people thinking staying under slavery for some 250 odd years to the point that they were believed to be less than human. Then they think they can get across by being under Jim Crow laws and Grandfather clauses for a couple of more years the sneaky bastard. Then "pretending" they were suffering under segregation and discrimination until the late 60's and early 70's, where they still were treated as less than white people, when they obviously liked it. And on top of that they act like the police allowing drugs to be pushed into their neighborhoods and the hole that was dug for them that they continue to climb out of too this day economy wise ( I mean comon right after slavery we all know they jumped right up the scale to the level that white people were able to be at financially during the time they were slaves) are really not their faults. Those lazy, slacking minorities like to also bring up those "rare" occurences when we still see police brutality and racists statements made by senators, that apparently people in the South respect greatly, that they sat actually affect them. I mean seriously white people have to deal with being pulled over by the cops for being black and driving a nice car or being outside late at night ALL THE TIME!

Let's not mention though that affirmative action affects minorities of all types and women. Let's just keep giving it to these blacks! And while we're at it lets start dissing welfare...wait more white people then black people are on that? Nevermind let's stick to this affirmative action thing.

*Hops over his puddle of sarcasm*

 

[Gedrin]

I have no problem with the concept, I simply have a problem when it causes discrimination. I believe that it should be reformed.

It is true that they did suffer many years of opression and that it was wrong. My ancesters also had to deal with some, though to a lesser extent. I just found out I have a lot of Russian in my bloodline but I had been told for years that it was Polish blood as had my Father before I. It was much easier being Polish during the Cold War years. But that is neither here nor there.

My only problem is that sometimes the system goes too far. I would have no problem if they made the system work better by making quotas based on things such as what percent of the population in the area are a specific race rather than a blanket %. Possibly based on % of applicants, but that would have to be closely watched because there is a potebtial for abuse if they screwed with records.

I have no problem working with people of different races, or other countries for that manner. Two of my closest friends are full Blooded Russians. I just think that the system needs reform.

Since you mentioned it welfare should also be reformed. In many areas of welfare not enough is done for the people who need it most, and in others there is too much potential for abuse.

 

[amrtin77]

Yeah what the hell are black people thinking staying under slavery for some 250 odd years to the point that they were believed to be less than human. Then they think they can get across by being under Jim Crow laws and Grandfather clauses for a couple of more years the sneaky bastard. Then "pretending" they were suffering under segregation and discrimination until the late 60's and early 70's, where they still were treated as less than white people, when they obviously liked it. And on top of that they act like the police allowing drugs to be pushed into their neighborhoods and the hole that was dug for them that they continue to climb out of too this day economy wise ( I mean comon right after slavery we all know they jumped right up the scale to the level that white people were able to be at financially during the time they were slaves) are really not their faults. Those lazy, slacking minorities like to also bring up those "rare" occurences when we still see police brutality and racists statements made by senators, that apparently people in the South respect greatly, that they sat actually affect them. I mean seriously white people have to deal with being pulled over by the cops for being black and driving a nice car or being outside late at night ALL THE TIME!

Let's not mention though that affirmative action affects minorities of all types and women. Let's just keep giving it to these blacks! And while we're at it lets start dissing welfare...wait more white people then black people are on that? Nevermind let's stick to this affirmative action thing.

*Hops over his puddle of sarcasm*

i hate this useless argument. you know as well as i do that i have never enslaved anyone and no blacks *(except really old ones who dont work anyways) have been slaves. why should what our ancestors done have ANY affect on today? it should be taught so it is not repeated, but not used for laws.

u say more white people are on welfare. true, but this is because 75 americans are white, AND if more white peopel are on welfare then why should minorities get help when theres other people that are jsut as deserving that have white skin. I AM ALL FOR HELPING PEOPLE THAT NEED MONEY FOR COLLEGE, BUT NOT BASED ON SKIN COLOR. and jobs based on skin color? there is no good reason AT ALL for that. ok, EVEN IF the fact that blacks were slaves was an argument for affirmative action, why should mexicans get help? and why dont jews or asians get help?

racism today is NOTHING. hell, theres more racism directed towards white people in my school, but no one gives a damn. no one should. you have to be VERY mentally weak to let it get to you.the only reason racism is made out to be a bgi deal is because organizations like the NAACP that have lost their usefulness now make money by screaming "RACISM" to any white who does ANYTHING against a minority even if it was the right thing to do.