When you die.

[shimshimheyxD]

I really do not get this. When we all die almost all of us in the bf forums think thats the end. I mean really... End?? There has to be a place where your soul has to go. Because you can't just turn off yourself and just diminsh your whole life. Err.. Its really hard to explain.

What do you think. Do u think that you go to w.e your religion tells you to go or juss plain pitch black and nothing. Explain.

 

[Shadow1psc2k]

Well, alot of religions contradict each other, and even themselves sometimes, so my perspective is there is no right religion, or there is only one. If you had to pick one, id say christianity or some form of judiasm, because those are the most coherent two, and actually support each other and are closely tied together. At any rate, back to the point of death, when you die maybe your soul just enteres another plane of existance. Transcending above physical existance in to something higher. Assuming that were true though, there would be no justice to living a 'good semeritan' life, thus the reason maybe that religion was created. To give us hope that there is some reward/punishment in the after life to look forward to. I, however, look forward to nothingness, and if that is the case, and you simply do just 'die' then... i don't know... everything you ever thought existed wouldnt be and... there would be nothing. No thought, no reasoning, no light... just pitch black darkness in the forever you would never know is there, for the fact that you are dead.

 

[minny]

how are you sure that we have a soul.
did you have a soul before you were born? and if so thats what it feels to be dead

 

[shimshimheyxD]

But what happens to your existing soul? If it gets domolished then reglion has to be existing. Man that would be soo pointless and boring juss seeing pitch black for the rest of your life. Maybe you get reborn?

 

[Shadow1psc2k]

Interesting theory. If we do indeed have souls, can it just be created? or maybe your are giving a peice of your soul to the development of a completely new soul. Maybe a soul grows and develops just as we, as humans, do. But, of course, the glaring question around that still exists: what does happen after we die? No soul, obviously, has come back to tell us, though it may follow the whoe belief of reincarnation, where you don't remember your past life as whatever. Damn it, I'm thinking too hard >.<

 

[Sogeking]

doesnt ff7 drive you nuts?

maybe our physical boides are an extention of our souls. when our bodies disintegrate, our souls have no use for it as we would a sword. So perhaps it picks up a new weapon? or maybe tired hands rest?

 

[shimshimheyxD]

But we were made and we didn't know nething when we were born. You don' even know how to talk or think logically when you like inside your mothers womb and we dont remember nething when we were in there.

But when you die, you can actually think and see and remember wat happens. It's scary because you will die again with boredom of just seeing black. Thats why religion is good. Its better than nothing. It's maybe foolish, but hell its worst than being wrong and going to hell or a place where people get punished badly.

 

[cxoli]

I see two possiblities for when I die, depending on whether or not souls exist (which seems like the only determining factor here). If they do, the religion theory (eternal life in my case since I'm Christian) would probably be most likely, and based on factors we're incapable of determining you would either get sent to Heaven or Hell. If souls don't exist, then when you die you are simply dead; there would be no concern of part of you living on in eternal darkness.

Personally, despite the fact that I'm Christian, I would prefer simply ceasing to exist. I don't believe that being Christian is a sure ticket into Heaven, so I have no idea where I would be going. It would comfort me to know that when I died all that would happen is that I would be put in the ground.

 

[WilliamDell]

It's a good question. And I can't say for sure what really happens since I have not experienced it for myself and come back to tell about it. But as was stated before, if humans (or any other lifeforms for that matter) don't have souls then when they die that's it, their consciousness ceases to be and they experience nothing more and can make no more decisions in any shape or form. If a soul does exist, then there are several things that can happen upon death. The soul can ascend to a higher level of being (now that is it no longer trapped in a human host or body) such as Heaven or Hell or someplace else, in any case, the concept of this state of being is incomprehensible to us sense it does not exist on our realm of existence or in our dimensions we can sense. Another possibility is reincarnation, and this may also involve ascension to another plain of existence for a period of time in which the soul is given a sort of rejuvination time or time for it to be with the Creator and then He sends the soul to another body so that the soul may have another chance to live a life, and this cycle may continue indefinitely, I can't say for sure.

I read on a site about 2 years ago about a hypothesis about something similar to that, no idea what the url is though. Basically though, the site did say that the theoretically, the "Creator" is a being of some sort that gains knowledge of humanity or any other conscious being, I think, by having souls that are cycled in mortal bodies. Once a person dies, the soul ascends. Once it reunites with the Creator they will share all of their experiences with each other. I don't know if that was what it said, it was something like that I think though. Or maybe it said something about how souls reincarnate many times and once a soul has reached a state of enlightenment which can happen at different times for different souls depending upon how much was experienced and learned in a lifetime and all sorts of other factors. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

 

[Undead Cheese]

Man that would be soo pointless and boring juss seeing pitch black for the rest of your life.

No, it wouldn't be borring, simply because you would lack the sentience to know what is "boring." Nothing about you would exist, even your thought.

The concept of a soul is just that; a concept. It is the idea of some obscure entity that carries the individuality of one's thoughts, emotions and actions. If you did have a soul, then nothing that could possibly happen to your body should affect it, as it (apparently) is not damaged even through death (if you're religious) But we know this simply isn't the case, simply by looking at mental conditions such as Alzheimer's disease, amnesia, schizophrenia, etc.

Now, the left side of the brain dominates for problem solving, language and speech, while the right brain dominates for visual-motor tasks. There have even been experiments which indicate that both sides of the brain are capable of individual thought (e.g. The "Split Brain Experiment")

Now, it is obvious that one's sense of "self" can be altered through physical means, and, because of this, I do not believe we will carry on after death. When the brain is damaged and it's functioning is impared, one can lose some of this sense; therefore, I believe when the brain ceases to function (see: dies) The sense of self is destroyed completely and you will be in eternal darkness. "You" will cease to exist.

 

[Hanzzo]

That is a very good question, I've asked myself that question when i was younger too. I mean our brain never ceases to function, every second it is functioning, thinkin about something, it always reassures us that we exist in this world, that we are in fact alive.

So how would it feel to just all of a sudden lose everything, shutoff and cease to think... maybe death is like a never ending sleep. You know how we sleep and if we dont have any dreams we wake up and it seems like time just flew by from when we fell asleep to when we wake up. The feeling of sleeping without any dreams might be what death is. Just like if a baby dies, does he feel pain? does he know anything? does he even know what it is to live or die? I certainly can't remember anything about myself when i was 1 or 2 years old, what if i died back then?

 

[Arkillo]

"If I don't exist, then how am I having this thought right now...? This very thought proves my existance" --Name that quote..


Anyway, personally, I think that whatever happens to you is dependant on what you believe in. If you believe nothing happens, nothing will happen. If you believe you'lll go to heaven/hell then you will.

 

[DrAgoKiS]

Well, technically Cheese, our brain doesnt "die" for months after we would be medically considered Dead.

As far as this topic, there are several things possible, and we'll never know until we die, or someone comes back to life and tells us, but it is interesting to hear diff pplz philosophies on the matter. I have my own hope on it and thoughts.

but i do agree with shadow's first post, religion does contradict one another and also gives ideas to create reason for doing things, aka- reward. to keep ppl inline and on their best behavior. and no i'm not against religion or an anarchist, for those thinking that. ~peace~

PS: Well said Grieving.

 

[psycho_bunny]

"Anyway, personally, I think that whatever happens to you is dependant on what you believe in. If you believe nothing happens, nothing will happen. If you believe you'lll go to heaven/hell then you will"

i believe that also. i for some reason believe in Reincarnation myself. you know when you have dai shar vou (dont know how to spell always sucked at french) i think that this is somehow connected. also the way you feel bonds with certain people or objects with out even knowing can be a out come of past live experiences. obviously it isnt as simple as saying ohh i love beer i must have been a alcoholic its like a real spiritually bond.
i now feel that the whole heaven and hell stuff is very commercialised it has been used and exaggerated so much that it isnt the same as some peoples believes it is what they are lad to believe by things like TV and films. the whole glowing clouds in heaven and burning depths of hell is a bit to much fir my believes really.
i wish there was jus a long kick*** party with lots of booze n guya and gals to party with

 

[_Ace]

There is no soul, when you die you lose awareness and knowledge of everything... poof...
Death is not bad at all because you aren't there to know that it happened... and if you had a soul, you probably wouldn't remember anything because when you are born, you would lose your memory... you can compare it to sleeping... like this: You always do something before falling asleep, maybe you think about something, maybe you scratch your ass... but when you get back you NEVER remember what you did right before falling asleep... so compare death to sleeping, you wouldn't remember dying, or any kind of life after death, you would just be reborn some time after... in case reincarnation is possible and soul exists...

 

[captaindry]

If we use some sort of scientific, logical, reasoning it will really be the end.

But from a spiritual perspective we will live on.

I think that most religions consist of the human soul living on after death or reincarnation because humans need to feel that their existance is in some way significant.

 

[DrAgoKiS]

Well Ace, how do u know u loose awareness and knowlegde?? hmm and as far as comparing it to sleeping, sometimes u do remember, but sometimes not. Depends on how important or how imprinting that was on your brain, since your memories are sorted by linking