Undead dosen't even need hero's anymore.

[Theroy]

I think it's time for a nerf on that race. K thnx.

 

[Andrew]

Why? What happened to you? Did you.. lose?

 

[Emperor Pan I]

ok, ur just not good.

if ur ne, u should win no prob against ud

 

[Tokin]

Yeah right.

I think UD has an advantage.

I use UD, but yeah it could be nerfed a little.

 

[Andrew]

You can say any race need sto be nerfed if you lose to something..

 

[Theroy]

No undead is just overpowered literally I can take three armies with 2 meat wagons a few gouls stautues and necros. Fiends and statues with some gargs rape anything Nightelf. Hell gargs rape anything Nightelf.

Lv 20 player winning with out a hero is pretty bad I tried the start my self works pretty good. Beat a level 30 orc player that has to tell you something about the race. And destroiers are like gg human.

Gargs= gg Nightelf
Destroiers= gg human
Fiends/statues= gg orc

Meatwagons/Necros= there cheese to use anytime

No race should be able to have perfect nearly impossible to counter strats for every race. I mean they are the only race that does. Undead has a 90% advantage against Elf there's no reason for an Undead player to lose to anything but chims but that's what gargs are for -_-.

 

[Andrew]

How do you think UD felt when NE had beastmaster? Live with it Theroy, if you don't like it, stop playing.

 

[Zaku]

Damn newbelf...

 

[Andrew]

Yes, I agree. UD is where it's at.

 

[Forged]

UD is gay, but the again so is NE

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally posted by Theroy
No undead is just overpowered literally I can take three armies with 2 meat wagons a few gouls stautues and necros. Fiends and statues with some gargs rape anything Nightelf. Hell gargs rape anything Nightelf.

Lv 20 player winning with out a hero is pretty bad I tried the start my self works pretty good. Beat a level 30 orc player that has to tell you something about the race. And destroiers are like gg human.

Gargs= gg Nightelf
Destroiers= gg human
Fiends/statues= gg orc

Meatwagons/Necros= there cheese to use anytime

No race should be able to have perfect nearly impossible to counter strats for every race. I mean they are the only race that does. Undead has a 90% advantage against Elf there's no reason for an Undead player to lose to anything but chims but that's what gargs are for -_-.

three armys is quite impossible. You overestiamte the abilities of the necromancer. As for NE vs Ud, hunts own ghouls and fiends tier 1. if ur stupid u let them get to tier 2. they get to tier 2 u get archers and hippos for gargs and not to mention fan of knives own gargs hard. impossible to beat? no it takes skill and practise, i dont play ne and i have done it. OMG skill? u cant jsut turn on a maphack in a game theroy and expect to win.

first off,
tanks + rifles + paladin>gg destroyers
wyverns+bats>fiends+statues
archers, hippos, drayds, dott fan of knives > gargs

No race should be able to have perfect nearly impossible to counter strats for every race.

yeah i wish there were uncounterable strats. idiot, the game is balanced. What you dont realize, is ud has moved up from being the least pwoered race in the game (the ways its been since 1.00) making it an even playing field, but now suddenly u have to work for an ud win. 1.15 is the most balanced patch.

if u say necros cant be beaten, u should jsut quit right now. you do not realize how incredibly hard it is to pull of the necrowagon. why? cause ur a NE palyer, naturaly u mass tier 1 units.

priets>necros
spirit wlakers>necros
destroyers>necros
wisps + FD>necros

its poor scouting, poor harassing, poor rushing, poor unit management orders and poor micro that leads to necrowagon winning. that is why i like it so much, cause the majority of bnet is stupid and doesnt scout. u try doing it. play 50 games in a row, u wont get 50 wins. in fact u probably won't get many wins from equaly skilled opponents at all.

 

[Andrew]

I couldn't have put it any better.

 

[Forged]

if u say necros cant be beaten, u should jsut quit right now. you do not realize how incredibly hard it is to pull of the necrowagon. why? cause ur a NE palyer, naturaly u mass tier 1 units.

Actually when we at he usally goes necros but w/e...

 

[Theroy]

"Damn newbelf..."

Shut up you don't even play.


Uhm fiends own the **** out of hunts. And noobian towers with a spirit tower makes rushes nearly impossible next patch that race will take a big hit and once again Elf will own. Enjoy the massive imbalance of the race while you can.

"tanks + rifles + paladin>gg destroyers"

Holy shit takes a hero choice some rifles and some tanks to counter one of the undead units!!!? Holy shit yup balance is clearly there. Fiends own tanks and rifles. Plus the three hero's will rip apart anything.

"wyverns+bats>fiends+statues"

Yes web dosen't work....

"archers, hippos, drayds, dott fan of knives > gargs"

Not only does that cost 4 times as much it also requires a hero choice. And a simple nuke takes her out in 2 seconds Nova coil coil she dies.

"yeah i wish there were uncounterable strats. idiot"

Obviously it's not "idiot" just because undead is blantley over powered b.net fourms is filled with it.

" is ud has moved up from being the least pwoered race in the game "

Ud has been over powered in patch 1.00 1.03 1.04 1.15. And it was always the banshee and the necro. gargs until we got the beastmaster and the Demon hunter with the 100 manaburn at lv 1.

"priets>necros"

No it's not. I've seen high level players play. The wagons eat the casters and raise there corpses there's to much dispell involved. lv 30 human vs some lv 35 undead player. all he used was a lich too

"spirit wlakers>necros"

No... You don't get necros on orc anyways till they are far in there tiers to go back and by that time it's to late.

"wisps + FD>necros"

That dosen't work it takes two wisps to kill thoes things in the back and the skeleton are always raised before battle unless your a retard.

"poor rushing"

Noobian towers and spirit towers. Remove thoes from Undead then you can talk about rushing ^_^

GEE GEE thanks for comming out tho.

 

[Ntrik_]

Gawd Im just happy Theroy didnt use

[*/quote] tag

Anyways, UD is rigged in a way, *COUGH*hero nuke*COUGH*

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Actually when we at he usally goes necros but w/e...

I was talking bout solo, but 2v2 at will make a good example. if u tech to it, your scerewed by a rush. if u slowly move to it, the opponent will probly be full teched and u wont be able to get to it. im talking about skilled palyers of course, not the mickeymouse competition you guys are prolly used to in ur clan hack.

Nuke overpwoereD? why dont u cry some more. humans nuke is better than undeads. but people are so narrow minded to see that and change their strats. chain lightning, and stomp and/or whockwave does more damage overall than a hero nuke. but why would you bother buying shit like potions, and invinc potions when facing a ud u know relys on nukes to win a game

Originally posted by Theroy
Uhm fiends own the **** out of hunts. And noobian towers with a spirit tower makes rushes nearly impossible next patch that race will take a big hit and once again Elf will own. Enjoy the massive imbalance of the race while you can.

yeah i forgot that hunts, a unit that costs less in both wood and gold, which moves faster, attacks faster and have a sollision size that allows for great surrounds would own fiends. plus hunts are microed easier, because fiends are horribly fat and get stuck and their range is slightly less more than a hunt. but i forgot, you are to busy massing hunts while ur opponent is countering hunts.
hunts>tier1 meele
tier2 seige>hunts
archers and hipos>gargs
MG>tier2 hunts
therefore overpowered NE>everyhitng else

yeah there is this tier 1 unit called glaive throwers. maybe if u learned to use different tactitcs then massing tier 1 hunts, u would mix your army. Swooper plays oldskool ROC, and he is the only NE to ever beat me because he got glaive throwers against me base. ever try that with hunts and archers? no? ur to busy massing hunts and using hacks.

"Night elf will own again" meaning you knew they were imbalanced all along and nerfing undead would make undead not compete with your noobrace

"tanks + rifles + paladin>gg destroyers"

Holy shit takes a hero choice some rifles and some tanks to counter one of the undead units!!!? Holy shit yup balance is clearly there. Fiends own tanks and rifles. Plus the three hero's will rip apart anything.

omg i gave one example and u expect that to be the be all end all? I have seen it done very well. tnaks and priests with any hero owns destroyers, u just need skill. hawks though human players bitch still own destroyers, i have seen it done.

"wyverns+bats>fiends+statues"

Yes web dosen't work....

spoken like a noobelf whos never palyed ud. try it, i dare you. wyverns alone own fiends. web? dont make me laugh, only reason i can beat it with fiends is when my opponent sucks. undead has little chance against orc with wyverns. web does shit. wyverns range is to good. when they are webed, they still focus on your fiends. "but undead has imbalanced coil" please, coil heals shit, especialy with hex, or stomp going on with orcs heros. no web does shit.

"archers, hippos, drayds, dott fan of knives > gargs"

Not only does that cost 4 times as much it also requires a hero choice. And a simple nuke takes her out in 2 seconds Nova coil coil she dies.

Did i put in plus signs? did i say u needed this? no it was a ****ing example. gargs have ****ing unarmored. hippos still own gargs. aww nuke? it already got nerfed in the last patch. there is this magical shop, you know the one NE build called the ancient of wonders. what were those items? oh yeah anti magic potion and staff of sanctuary NE has exclusively for them, and potions. ever heard of using something to counter a nuke?
you dont want fan of knives, taht was an example. Beastmaster, naga, panda, what do you want, they all work with amazing aoe that makes gargs useless.

"yeah i wish there were uncounterable strats. idiot"

Obviously it's not "idiot" just because undead is blantley over powered b.net fourms is filled with it.

please dont make me laugh, the b.net forums is worse than this forum, its a plase for all the noobs to cry and bitch cause they suck completely. You know why that forum oppinions dont matter? everyone there sucks, cause all the good palyers are on bnet learning to counter shit and getting better.

" is ud has moved up from being the least pwoered race in the game "

Ud has been over powered in patch 1.00 1.03 1.04 1.15. And it was always the banshee and the necro. gargs until we got the beastmaster and the Demon hunter with the 100 manaburn at lv 1.

lets see, Ne has always been the most overpowered race.their heros have been tweaked beyond recognition, dryads, hunts, archers, chims, hippo archers, even the goddamn wisp needed a nerf a few patches back. what did undead have in ROC? Ghouls that is it, abombs have sucked up until this patch, wyrms were never worth it like chims were, the casters have always been shit till recently, banshee got huge unneeded nerfs over the last few patches. possession overpowered? yeah right, banshee is so incredibly weak. ever heard of focus fire? yeah instant counter.

"priets>necros"

No it's not. I've seen high level players play. The wagons eat the casters and raise there corpses there's to much dispell involved. lv 30 human vs some lv 35 undead player. all he used was a lich too

omg a level 30? he must know everything. You even saw me beat a level 45, perfect example that high elvels dont mean shit!
top much dispel!? Damn Blizzard for making micro and skill involved in playing the strategy game. we wouldnt wnat our players to actualy have to work for a win. lets autocast dispel to so priests have 3 autocast spells that are all better than the banshee skills. Lich? Omg fear the slowest caster in the game with only one good spell. forgot he got a nerf in last patch on nova too.
BTW, if ur so increbily good, u would know that if the wagons "ate the casters and raised there corpses" how the hell that is possible. since when seige kills a unit it blows it up leaving no corpse. Perhaps your modifying this "game" to try and say it is overpowered.

"spirit wlakers>necros"

No... You don't get necros on orc anyways till they are far in there tiers to go back and by that time it's to late.

most orcs scout with wolves anyways, and most orcs unless they mass wyverns get a voodoo lounge,lodge anyways. Not to mention lusted taurens with orc heros that have the lightning orbs still completely destroy skellys.

"wisps + FD>necros"

That dosen't work it takes two wisps to kill thoes things in the back and the skeleton are always raised before battle unless your a retard.

lets see, wisps have a huge aoe, and only two? aww boohoo noobelves dont get wisps that dispel with one. sides, FD with good micro and an intellegnet player wll destroy necros.

"poor rushing"

Noobian towers and spirit towers. Remove thoes from Undead then you can talk about rushing ^_^

glaive throwers. but hell, lets talk abouto other races defence. You cant fight NE in their base, because moonwells make all your efforts worthless. plus all their buildings attack you as you run past not to mention you can hide your wisps accross the map, and they are protected in your little entangled mine. yeah that is great. Orc have untouchable bases with burrows and towers. heavy armor? yeah right by the time u take down a burrow, you have already got like 3 units in red, and then the FS comes out with wolves and focus on shit. not to mention the peons who repair. Humans? what was the old thing for the human castle? "bells ringing MILITIA..." omg peasents that turn into slightly weaker footmen and a tower that drains mana but wait theres more, the tower can now be repaired faster!!!!!. wow undead has a tower that slows you down and deals a whole 5 damage. what do spirit towers cost? 150 zigs and the upgrade that is almost 300 gold. omg impalanced! zigs got a ****ing nerf anyways. oh yeah forgot the fact our acolytes are on the outside of the mine, and unlike all other three races, stay on the outside and get sniped the quickest, fastest and easiest.

 

[Samsara]

point 1:actually i would go tanks, rifles and priest, dont need much else other than your archmage and mountain king to take out UD these days.

point 2: levels dont mean shit these days, i have seen players reach level 20 in one day thanks to blizz's great new match making [/sarcasm]

point 3: better yet, drag along a glaive thrower with your army and then you dont have to worry bout Necros

point 4: if Undead dont need any heros, you are obviously using some sort of hack.

 

[NeverGoingBack]

i can not even reply to all this crap with out being negative.

nerf the bastards their cheese is getting to popular and all NE know best what happens to cheese.

it gets eatin

 

[Andrew]

Yeah Theroy, if they made it so you could never lose, everyone else would complain. B.net can't make everyone happy. The game is balanced. If they nerfed UD and made orc stronger, everyone would think that orc is now the best race and complain about that. It's a never ending circle. Sheesh, just give up and face the facts that you can't win.

 

[Emperor Pan I]

cheap, did u even read what i said, cause u pretty much summed up some of my points