Uncle_Vanya
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They were not taught Greek philosophy, there was no thousands of schools across Europe, maybe dozens. Monastic orders did not pursue science. Church's schools taught the Church's interpretation of the Bible, nothing more.But what you say completely ignores everything I just said. People who were not clergy men were taught by the Church, Christian and Pagan alike. They were taught everything from agriculture to the philosophy of the Greeks. Maybe blind following of an institution thrives on ignorance, but obviously by the church opening thousands of schools across Europe, the founding of monastic orders whose major function was to educate others and pursue science, and the attachment of schools to nearly every cathedral in Europe the Church obviously wanted to spread literacy and education. The Church may had operated the overwhelming majority of schools (since they didn't operate the Pagan schools, which both Pagans and Christians attended), but that's only because they had the resources to. After all, they were the legitimate government in that time.
Lets move beyond the inquisition already, what about the Crusades? What about the fact that the Church was very corrupt.Let me be very clear: The Church did not teach one thing and do another. The Spanish Inquisition was run by the Spanish Government and lawyers; it was in no way, shape, or form run or ordered by the Catholic Church.
The Crusades, and once again, the Church was keeping civilization down. As for the Inquisition: Roman Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaYou've yet to give any example where the Church has given harm. You mentioned the Spanish Inquisition which wasn't an action of the Church.
"The last notable action of the Roman Inquisition occurred in 1858, in Bologna, when Inquisition agents kidnapped a 6-year-old Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, separating him from his family."
The Inquisition was one of the Church's institutions.
Read the above excerpt, it answers both your questions.Let me get this clear; if I were to kill someone because they looked at me funny then you would state the Church is to blame and the Church endorsed the killing of that person? That kind of logic means every organization ever made is unclean, from philanthropic organizations to football teams. As for not being the most tolerant religion, how exactly is the teaching that any discrimination against another man because of his religion is a sin against the Church not tolerant?
The only line of thought within Church's schools was the Bible, it was not open to other ways of thought, the reason for Church's schools was to train propagandists for the Church's rule to the common man.An act that raised the level of education in Europe to a level not seen since the fall of Rome. That seems like spreading literacy, not the illiteracy you claim they tried to spread.
Church actively tried to keep civilization down so it could maintain its own political power, the more educated you are the more secular you are.No, your example is more like saying the United States government endorsed the LAPD beating up Rodney King despite all of the Civil Rights Acts, the LAPD rules, and all other public policy stating it is wrong to beat up an innocent black man for no reason. The Holocaust is related to Nazi Germany in a completely different way. The Nazi Government actively tried to commit the Holocaust, Hitler didn't do everything in his power to prevent the Holocaust and rogue member of the Nazi Government committed it against his will.
So then you agree that it wasn't the "do as I do" but rather "do as I say, not as I do."Everyone is corrupt, that's what it is to be human; to have original sin and to be able to sin. The clergy may have had different sins but they were taught the same message of "follow the example of Jesus Christ to the best of your ability."
Yeah, kinda like the Crusades. Christianity has mostly spread through the world through war, and majority of it was approved by Rome.Except that membership in the Church is voluntary; the basic definition of empire requires some form of coercive force.
Yeah, those philosophers, reading which would you excommunicated until the Church lost power.Damn.
Exactly what philosophers are you speaking of then? I was under the impression you were talking about the enlightenment philosophers who heavily influenced the founding of democratic states.