Should teh people have the power to veto?

[sonicboom]

ok i was just sittin here thinkin.
shouldent we have th epower to vote and veto stuf like law's and bill's the presdent and congress's try's to pass without even our concent.
like the patriot act i think that is crap why the hell shoulod teh goverment be allow3ed to take every last one of our freedom's from us.
i mean havin camera's in our home's and every where else.
the goverment knowin what we are all doin all teh time.
and tehy havent even asked if we the people about our feeling's on this.
and on law's. the people should have the right to vote to veto stupid law's that are made everyday.tell me your thoughts on this.


btw sorry for the shity typin but this aint my keyboard and it is really akward.

 

[Galatia]

The power of the people is their vote.

We are voting for the people who will vote for us. Vetoing their decisions is kind of absurd. And this is why it is so important to vote.

 

[sonicboom]

but in ordeer ro even have a chance to get elected.
you either have to be rich or know someone in politic's.
thats why fro teh past 3 election's over half teh pop did not vote.
reason no real choice on teh ballid.
the only people taht voted were either christians or had thier money in that person.


and let me jog yuor memory remeber the last election.
remeber how the people's vote didnt mean shit if it did gore would be in office right now instead of bush.
and that electiion was pure crap bush and gore.
that dont sound liek an election it sound's like a snuff film.

 

[Tempest Storm]

No, because Democracy (majority rule) is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner. Meaning, in any democacy, the minority always gets ****ed.

 

[Galatia]

And in places without democracy it is the majority that gets ****ed. This is why every vote counts.

 

[Sicloan]

your theory is a little messed up, i mean i can see your point, but we actually do have this... we elect the people to represent our states. and the elected voice the people so thats how we have the power to veto in the legislative branch.

but on the other hand, the patriot act should have never been passed, it violates the consitution our rights as citizens and F*ck president bush.

 

[bamthedoc]

Besides that, Veto should be reserved for those priviledged with Top Secret information, which, I know, most are ignorant of. If we were to give veto power to the ignorant..., I fear for my life.

 

[Gedrin]

It is sad though the choices that we are given for our leaders. I don't trust most of the politicians. I remeber all the sins of our govenrment against the people. I see poeple willing to make those same descisions to be reelected. For once I would like to see a someone in ofice that actually wants to do the right thing more than getting reelected. Alas I will continue trying to choose the lesser of two evils for there are no better choices.

 

[sonicboom]

i agree.the people runnin for pres's latley are bascially the same people that have all ready been there and are prolly controlled by other's.
to make this point understandable bush and his father.
i bet you little bushy boy is just doin whatever his father tell's him to.
and on the lack of choice on the ballad.
youcant trust any of them they are all lying and getting kick backs and teh only wasy to win in a election is to buy it.(which i think bush did)i would even go as far to say those people cheatin for gore were actually just people hired by bush and set up to get caught,that way gore look's bad after winnin the popular vote.which bring's up a point you all missed.
dont you remeber how the popular vote didnt mean shit last time
the only vote that mattered was the the rich people and the peole in congress and other places which they called the electoral vote i belive.
and if i was gore i would have done the same thing because he won that election,but noooo bush had to go and buy it.
**** bush he's a dirty ****in incoherent labrat just followin his daddy's order's he should be kick out of office and this country he is every thing that make's this country suck.

 

[x42bn6]

Hundreds agree, one veto ruins that. Fair? Of course not. Democratic? No. Vetoes (sp?) serve only in the vetoing country's interest. Fair? No.

 

[ShaftedTwice]

Originally posted by x42bn6
Hundreds agree, one veto ruins that. Fair? Of course not. Democratic? No. Vetoes (sp?) serve only in the vetoing country's interest. Fair? No.

EXACTLY! Just what i was to say.

 

[sonicboom]

ok i dont mean veto on everything i agree.we should not have the power to override everything.
just certain thing's.
like the patroit act.
or law's like teh drug law's.(which should be redone)
the main thing is with as many bad leader's as we have had in teh last year's.
we should have more power than to just sit by and watch the people we elected ruin our country.

 

[bamthedoc]

The only person with the power to Veto is the President. There are intstances where the Supreme Court can say that that power was invoked unconstitutionally. The Congress and Senate can override a Veto with 2/3 vote. It is not the "end-all, be-all" of a bill. The President can Veto into two ways, however. The primary way is to just stamp it and send it back to Congress and the Senate. The second way is to "sit" on it until a period where the Congress and Senate will not convene. He can only do this, however, if that period is within ten days of recieving the bill. If he doesn't Veto, the bill is "automatically" passed.

As you see, checks and balances make the Veto quite fair. It is impossible to just Veto everything you don't like. If you don't like a law, you can write up a petition (as stated in the 1st ammendment) and create a bill, once you have enough signatures. There!! You just created "law case". Of course, it has to be well written and constitutional to see the light of day, but at least you would have accomplished something.

 

[Galatia]

Originally posted by sonicboom
we should have more power than to just sit by and watch the people we elected ruin our country.

But the question is why do we elect people who can ruin our countries? Why dont we think about this when we vote?

 

[bamthedoc]

People are seduced by charisma and promises of granduer.

 

[Galatia]

This why *people have the leaders they deserve* (old greek saying).

 

[Tempest Storm]

Originally posted by sonicboom
ok i dont mean veto on everything i agree.we should not have the power to override everything.
just certain thing's.
like the patroit act.
or law's like teh drug law's.(which should be redone)
the main thing is with as many bad leader's as we have had in teh last year's.
we should have more power than to just sit by and watch the people we elected ruin our country.

But where do you draw the line? Sure there are certain things that should be vetoed, and taken off the books. But that power can easily be abused.

Besides, as BaM said, there are measures that can be taken to try and get those laws off the books.

 

[sonicboom]

yes there should be a certain pont where teh veto power would be held at.
and it would all be placed on a vote from the people.
much as this country was founded to be.
every thing should center around the vot's from the people.
and i bet if we had more choices and more power in teh decision's in uour goverment that more people would vote.
cause as of right now the only people that get to make the decsions are the one' who stand to make a profit off them.
all they care about is how much money they can make from thier decsion's.
which is why i say america is becoming rome.when a countrry and it's people's only goal in life is money and power that country is doomed to fail.
a lesseon that has been learned throught history.
i mean come on people any country where the termanator can be elected into a public office,well that country cant last much longer.

 

[bamthedoc]

Here's another problem.

THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY ON THIS PLANET!! Only one has ever existed, and it died once it was taken over by ancient Greece. The USA, and all other "democracies", are "republics" where the people are "represented" by politicians. We vote for people who we think represent what we beleive, and they vote. We can affect that by "threatening" recall, or we can write bills. People have power to put politicians into power, really. Just think about how the Constitution was writen to create checks-and-balances to prevent the abuse of power -- though it doesn't always work. It is, afterall, a human system and prone to "error".

 

[themonkeyc]

i think we should probably have the power to veto, but i dont think it would work to well. it would just be another level of complication to the process of passing laws.