Science, fact or fiction?

[ZeroX]

Hmm, how can someone take science for fact? is it not always changing?

Cause and effect, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Yet, the big bang was obviously a reaction to something...the egg? well what did that come from? Where is the beggining? and if cause and effect is true, then when does it end? can it end? If it can, then it disproves itself. If it cant, then there can be no end of the universe.

Carbon dating, although this system of dating objects seems quite accurate, is it? A few years ago, cave paintings were found in europe. When these paintings were dated(using carbon dating techniques) the paintings dated back thousands upon thousands of years ago. A local teacher read in the newspaper about these cavepaintings and noticed that they was the same cave and same paintings her students did! Carbon dating leaves some questions...another instance, a castle in england (from 15th century or so) was dated. THe date came back as about 70k years old. I dont think i can logically trust something that is this inacurate, perhaps the earth isnt as old as it is believed to be.

Evolution. We share more genomes with a slug then we do with an ape. so why arnt there evolved slug people? And bannanas. bannanas havnt changed since(if the earth is as old as it is said to be) they first appeared. Why hasnt this species died out like many others? Wouldnt new animals or new conditions require the bannana to adapt in order to survive? Why are there bannanas!? They havnt evolved since they first appeared. I question evolution because if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

No definite answer to why the dinosaurs died. We have been at it for years, and there has been no way to figure out why there are no dinosaurs, yet, we speculate that there was a big bang of chaos that created the universe and eventually creatures spontaneously grew out of knowhere(as did the universe). there have been theory after theory on how the dinosaurs died. science is unreliable.

Now i dont know how in the world anyone would trust science and evolution as a fact when science isnt even a fact on its own.

 

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by ZeroX
A few years ago, cave paintings were found in europe. When these paintings were dated(using carbon dating techniques) the paintings dated back thousands upon thousands of years ago. A local teacher read in the newspaper about these cavepaintings and noticed that they was the same cave and same paintings her students did!

carbon dating is the measurement of the decay of a certain carbon atom found in all living things, the longer the thing is dead the less of this type of carbon is found.

so how do you go about carbon dating a picture drawn on a cave wall...... ?

 

[killer900]

Originally posted by ZeroX

Cause and effect, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Yet, the big bang was obviously a reaction to something...the egg? well what did that come from? Where is the beggining? and if cause and effect is true, then when does it end? can it end? If it can, then it disproves itself. If it cant, then there can be no end of the universe.

Besides the big bang theory there is also a theory called the big crunch which states that all matter in the universe will come together in a very small and very heavy peice of matter.

This can also be solved by string theory. Even if string theory is not yet proven it would be great if it turns out true, so I'm going to use it. Anyways the big bang (according to string theory) could have been caused by two of the eleven dimensions bumping each other. Now you might call me an idiot for saying eleven dimensions instead of three we see, but this link will prove (click on "Multidimensional Math").

Here is some proof of evolution "Sex and the Single Guppy"

And a evolution FAQ (read through the whole thing, very interesting).

The "Nova: Evolution" homesite.

 

[ViperouS VillaiN]

Re: Re: Science, fact or fiction?

Originally posted by Kamikaze
carbon dating is the measurement of the decay of a certain carbon atom found in all living things, the longer the thing is dead the less of this type of carbon is found.

so how do you go about carbon dating a picture drawn on a cave wall...... ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the ink they used made out of berries which are living things?

Evolution. We share more genomes with a slug then we do with an ape. so why arnt there evolved slug people? And bannanas. bannanas havnt changed since(if the earth is as old as it is said to be) they first appeared. Why hasnt this species died out like many others? Wouldnt new animals or new conditions require the bannana to adapt in order to survive? Why are there bannanas!? They havnt evolved since they first appeared. I question evolution because if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

We aren't slug people because slugs haven't evolved very much. Slugs don't really need to evolve. Bananas have changed. Sure, we still have our yellow bananas, but now there are different types of bananas out there. Bananas are still here, and I don't remember any new animals or new conditions that are affecting them. It takes a long time for evolution, you will die before they evolve. We haven't died out because we are a very advanced species. We have technology, and that helps us survive. Why not bananas? Monkeys don't THRIVE on bananas. They eat other fruits and even other animals. There are still apes because a select group of apes(probably chimpanzees) evolved into humans while the other apes stayed back in their spot so they didn't need to change. Since that group of apes left, they had to adapt to their new surroundings and eventually evolved into the human species.

No definite answer to why the dinosaurs died. We have been at it for years, and there has been no way to figure out why there are no dinosaurs, yet, we speculate that there was a big bang of chaos that created the universe and eventually creatures spontaneously grew out of knowhere(as did the universe). there have been theory after theory on how the dinosaurs died. science is unreliable.

Every day we are getting closer to answer such hard questions. Do you know how hard it is to answer those kinds of questions? Sure we've been at it for years, but back then they didn't have the technology of today and nowadays technology is still changing.

Why did you change from dinosaurs to the big bag? Go back to biology and learn about how life could have formed in the pre historic oceans. Noww back to dinosaurs? A theroy is better than nothing at all.

Science. Unreliable? Without science you wouldn't be typing on your computer. You wouldn't be watching TV. Technology maybe wouldn't even be liek todays. We need science. It is proof for mostily everything that happens out there. Nature, cooking, living things, and much more all have to do with science. Science is going on everywhere, even if you don;t realize it.

Now i dont know how in the world anyone would trust science and evolution as a fact when science isnt even a fact on its own.

Sceine isn't a fact? Wrong. Science is all fact. How can you prove science wrong when you think it isn't a fact? The sky is blue, is that not a fact? Evolution is fact. We have evidence with skeletons, genes, brain size, and a bunch of other crud like that. It makes more sense thn being put on Earth randomly around the world by God and still live for a long time.

 

[B)ushid(o]

Originally posted by ZeroX
Hmm, how can someone take science for fact? is it not always changing?

Cause and effect, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Yet, the big bang was obviously a reaction to something...the egg? well what did that come from? Where is the beggining? and if cause and effect is true, then when does it end? can it end? If it can, then it disproves itself. If it cant, then there can be no end of the universe.

Carbon dating, although this system of dating objects seems quite accurate, is it? A few years ago, cave paintings were found in europe. When these paintings were dated(using carbon dating techniques) the paintings dated back thousands upon thousands of years ago. A local teacher read in the newspaper about these cavepaintings and noticed that they was the same cave and same paintings her students did! Carbon dating leaves some questions...another instance, a castle in england (from 15th century or so) was dated. THe date came back as about 70k years old. I dont think i can logically trust something that is this inacurate, perhaps the earth isnt as old as it is believed to be.

Evolution. We share more genomes with a slug then we do with an ape. so why arnt there evolved slug people? And bannanas. bannanas havnt changed since(if the earth is as old as it is said to be) they first appeared. Why hasnt this species died out like many others? Wouldnt new animals or new conditions require the bannana to adapt in order to survive? Why are there bannanas!? They havnt evolved since they first appeared. I question evolution because if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

No definite answer to why the dinosaurs died. We have been at it for years, and there has been no way to figure out why there are no dinosaurs, yet, we speculate that there was a big bang of chaos that created the universe and eventually creatures spontaneously grew out of knowhere(as did the universe). there have been theory after theory on how the dinosaurs died. science is unreliable.

Now i dont know how in the world anyone would trust science and evolution as a fact when science isnt even a fact on its own.

The thing is, you can't take anything as a fact in this universe, unless you've had the first-hand experience.

Here's an extreme example:

Did the American Revolution actually occur? Maybe, maybe not. No currently, living being on this planet has seen the war first-hand, although we think it happened since there are books, journals, documents, etc. on the subject, but is it proof enough? No.

Was Andrew Jackson really the President of the United States? There are accounts of his presidency. There are documents, election results, various accounts, etc. But how do we know for sure that he was the President? There is no way, unless we go back in time and see it ourselves.

The same goes for the dinosaurs, evolution, and science as a whole. We can't be sure unless we see it first-hand.

Many Laws of the World have been proven easily by people. Newton's Laws of Motion can be easily proven. People trust Science because many things remain a constant and can be proven easily. Science has an advantage over the other option in proof.

 

[Tempest Storm]

The fact that you typed that ignorant garbage on a computer kinda debunks your claims.

 

[c9h13no3]

Science is total bullshit. Those scientist guys have never, and will never do anything to better our quality of life, morals, and religious beliefs. They are evil men! They are the army of satan. They give abortions, and hide fossils in the ground to try to destroy our quality of life! They say that gays occur naturally, and they get paid more than anyone in society. I hate them, and you should too.

That is all.