Psychic Powers

[MindArchon]

Do you guys beleive in psychic powers?

I think it exists. What I'm talking about is telepathy, moving objects with your mind, other feats like that. Another name for it is PSI.

I found this link http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/psi.htm

If it does exist, how do they move objects, how did they get the power, what does it feel like to use the mind, etc?

And if people can use it, do you think animals could as well?

 

[icastbigspells]

I think its abunch of baloney.

 

[[x]Steben[x]]

Nobody on this forum can do it, don't bother. This still brings me back on to the question on my sandwich...

 

[amrtin77]

tell me how it physically works in our natural world. give me a reason for the objects to just move. are they tapping into a magnetic or gravitational field with your mind? or maybe your own electrical, magnetic field? give me the physics of it.

 

[icastbigspells]

oh so was it a good sandwich?

 

[jd-inflames]

I believe that it may be possible...but I've never seen it so no I don't believe it.

 

[[x]Steben[x]]

Sure, hell, I would belive it if I saw it. But I haven't.

 

[MindArchon]

Originally posted by amrtin77
tell me how it physically works in our natural world. give me a reason for the objects to just move. are they tapping into a magnetic or gravitational field with your mind? or maybe your own electrical, magnetic field? give me the physics of it.

Psychic Powers is known as ESP (Extra-Sensory Perception)

Some examples of ESP is seeing things far away, predicting the future, remembering an old friend, then the friend calls. Some scientists believe that ESP is a normal thing. Just people see it as a coincidence.

The major types of ESP

Telepathy - the ability to read another person's thoughts
Clairvoyance - the ability to "see" events or objects happening somewhere else
Precognition - the ability to see the future
Retrocognition - the ability to see into the distant past
Mediumship - the ability to channel dead spirits
Psychometry - the ability to read information about a person or place by touching a physical object
Telekinesis - the abilty to altering the physical world with mind power alone.

Most people believe people can only use "psychic powers" when they are under extreme conditions, and then use it without thinking about it. Such as when a car is falling on someone, and the victim lifts up the car with their mind and throws it away without thinking about it, and not in control. Such as when you touch the hot stove, your hand jerks away by itself.

There are many ideas on how ESP works. One theory says that, like our ordinary senses, ESP is energy moving from one point to another point. Typically, proponents of this theory say ESP energy takes the form of electromagnetic waves -- just like light, radio and X-ray energy -- that we haven't been able to detect scientifically.

However, the most popular theory today is that ESP is a result of something beyond the known physical world. For example, many people view it as "spillover" from another reality. According to this theory, in addition to the physical universe we are consciously aware of, we all exist in another dimension that has completely different governing laws. Time and space work very differently in the other reality, allowing us to know about other people's thoughts, distant events or things that haven't happened yet in the physical reality. Normally, our awareness of this plane of existence is completely unconscious, but every once in a while, the conscious mind picks up on this information.


Actual Cases of ESP

Probably most of you have heard about the book about a boat called the Titan (1898, Morgan Robertson). The author said the idea of it came to him in sort of a trance. The book was about a ship that sunk (it hit a iceburg), and many people died because there were not enough lifeboats. Fourteen years later, the Titanic, similar in size and structure to the fictional ship, did exactly this, at the same time of year, under the same conditions.

Karl Zener created the Zener cards (a deck of 25 cards with 5 designs on them). He would ask people to try and guess the design. An average person would get about 5/25 correct. Anything above that would demonstrate ESP. There have been people who have gotten almost 18/25 correct!

 

[amrtin77]

ok, im not denying. but im not accepting. not until science CAN detect it. and how am i supposed to believe another reality exists, with totally different governing laws? is there any evidence pointing to this? if so, do tell.

i think it makes more sense to call it coincidence until someone can prove something

 

[MindArchon]

From http://science.howstuffworks.com/esp3.htm
Parapsychology has gained a lot of credibility over the past 100 years, but there is still a strong contingent of skeptics who see ESP studies as misguided at best and completely worthless pseudoscience at worst.
For a number of these skeptics, the primary argument against ESP is, quite simply, that it doesn't make any sense. As we saw earlier, the existence of the ESP phenomenon is fundamentally at odds with the known "rules" of the universe, as supported by countless scientific experiments. As much as we might want to believe it, these skeptics say, ESP is just too extraordinary to accept without equally extraordinary evidence.

And the widespread anecdotal evidence of ESP, they say, certainly isn't extraordinary -- not when you consider the big picture. To the average person, a dream or feeling coming true, in precise detail, seems too amazing to be simple coincidence. But if you look at it from a statistician's viewpoint, it's much less incredible. There are more than 6 billion people on earth, constantly thinking and all experiencing dozens of significant events every day. Statistically, on any particular day, some of the things some people envision will line up closely with some of the things those people happen to experience. In all of your time on earth, this will undoubtedly happen to you now and then. Add to this the desire for an afterlife, the skeptics say, and it's no wonder such a large section of the population deludes itself into believing in psi phenomenon.

The chances of a hit climb even higher when you consider people's ability to make reasoned, educated guesses. For example, Morgan Robertson's apparent prediction of the Titanic disaster seems less incredible when you learn that he was a former seaman who knew a lot about modern ship technology. His book correctly guessed details of the real ship and the crash, skeptics say, because he had a good understanding of how a ship like that would be built, how it might get into trouble and what would happen in that scenario.

Similarly, some people may seem to have psychic powers when they really just have heightened intuition. Your five senses are constantly picking up on information, and your brain is constantly processing this information on an unconscious level. Some people are particularly adept at analyzing seemingly irrelevant information and putting the pieces together to make highly accurate guesses. For example, you might inexplicably know when somebody is lying to you because you unconsciously recognize subtle variations in facial expression or tone of voice.

Many ESP believers counter these arguments with the assertion that true psychic visions aren't everyday thoughts, but rare revelations easily distinguished from a person's normal thinking. If you only consider these special visions, they argue, the coincidence explanation doesn't hold up. The educated guessing theory may explain a lot of apparent revelations, they say, but not all.

In any case, it's clear that human nature does lead people to focus on a few instances of extraordinary coincidence as evidence of something supernatural, while completely ignoring the thousands of dreams and visions that don't line up with reality in any remarkable way. Out of context, the individual hits are very impressive, especially if you start to misremember your thoughts so that they correspond even more closely with reality. Whether or not this accounts for all alleged ESP phenomena, it most likely accounts for a lot of it.

It's all on belief. Kind of like religion.

However, I am sure that there are people here who believe in some parts of psychic powers (such as Mediumship which is channeling dead spirits (seeing ghosts, etc).

 

[amrtin77]

"As much as we might want to believe it, these skeptics say, ESP is just too extraordinary to accept without equally extraordinary evidence."

thats EXACTLY how i feel.

 

[Icedragon]

Heres a tip dont argue with amrtin your never going to change him. As for me i belive in stuff(You have to if you practice it right?) and well I'm not trying to say not to try it. I have had a bunch of bad exp with it so yeah. if you really want to www.psipog.net is a fairly good site for tutorials

 

[Jason]

Telepathy - the ability to read another person's thoughts
Clairvoyance - the ability to "see" events or objects happening somewhere else
Precognition - the ability to see the future
Retrocognition - the ability to see into the distant past
Mediumship - the ability to channel dead spirits
Psychometry - the ability to read information about a person or place by touching a physical object
Telekinesis - the abilty to altering the physical world with mind power alone.

Precognition
Retrocognition
Mediumship

These three are the only things I'd remotely believe could be possible.

Telekinesis..well..the only way I can see this even having a slight possibility of working is if it were a metallic object. Seeing as how you have electricity flowing through your body, and nothing else. You could POSSIBLY learn how to control that electricity.

Highly doubtful though.

 

[Sakuhta]

Originally posted by MindArchon
Most people believe people can only use "psychic powers" when they are under extreme conditions, and then use it without thinking about it. Such as when a car is falling on someone, and the victim lifts up the car with their mind and throws it away without thinking about it, and not in control. Such as when you touch the hot stove, your hand jerks away by itself.
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Haven't you ever had a ****ing 8th grade Science class?

It's your nerves man.

I don't want people running around, 'Look my hand won't touch the hot stove, I'm a wizard!'

 

[Gedrin]

It's your nerves man.

Not just your nerves, but spinal nerves. Essentially you circumvent the circuitry in your brain for quick action to preserve your body, also the reason that headless bodies can and will twitch on occasion. And the ever popular observation of the running headless chicken.

 

[mistro5000]

i went to that psipog site and tried some of the stuff and none of it worked. so i either suck, or its fake, or one of the other million possobilities.

 

[The_Keebler_Elf]

I don't want people running around, 'Look my hand won't touch the hot stove, I'm a wizard!'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA That's great!

 

[jackalopes]

Originally posted by icastbigspells
I think its abunch of baloney.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

I found this link http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/psi.htm

Take this site seriously, it has a picture of yoda.

are they tapping into a magnetic or gravitational field with your mind?

How? You can't "tap" into a electro magnetic field with you mind. Yes the poles are strong enough to move a compass piece but you can't move a object, and it could onlt effect metal shit. Controlling gravitational fields with your mind is absoloutely rediculous.

or maybe your own electrical, magnetic field?

Ermm if you even had one it would be remote.

Most people believe people can only use "psychic powers" when they are under extreme conditions, and then use it without thinking about it. Such as when a car is falling on someone, and the victim lifts up the car with their mind and throws it away without thinking about it, and not in control. Such as when you touch the hot stove, your hand jerks away by itself.

That is a realllly bad explanation. You moved your hand away because it was too hot and painful, what's so painful about a car being in the air above you? How the hell can you just throw it away again? Oh wait you didn't give any sort of scientific support.

There are many ideas on how ESP works. One theory says that, like our ordinary senses, ESP is energy moving from one point to another point. Typically, proponents of this theory say ESP energy takes the form of electromagnetic waves -- just like light, radio and X-ray energy -- that we haven't been able to detect scientifically.

We have been able to detect them scientifically........................

However, the most popular theory today is that ESP is a result of something beyond the known physical world.

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

How the **** has that been repeatly tested. No one has proved the existence of other dimensions, it's just something a a fictional writer came up with. That load of bullshit that you call a paragraph has nothing to do with real science, it is just some imaginative unlogical shitty argument that there is almost no basis for.

Probably most of you have heard about the book about a boat called the Titan (1898, Morgan Robertson). The author said the idea of it came to him in sort of a trance. The book was about a ship that sunk (it hit a iceburg), and many people died because there were not enough lifeboats. Fourteen years later, the Titanic, similar in size and structure to the fictional ship, did exactly this, at the same time of year, under the same conditions.

There are 1 million explanations for that, hell someone else could use that story as proof that timetravel exists or that the whole titanic thing was a setup.

Karl Zener created the Zener cards (a deck of 25 cards with 5 designs on them). He would ask people to try and guess the design. An average person would get about 5/25 correct. Anything above that would demonstrate ESP. There have been people who have gotten almost 18/25 correct!

Ever heard of luck?

Telekinesis..well..the only way I can see this even having a slight possibility of working is if it were a metallic object. Seeing as how you have electricity flowing through your body, and nothing else. You could POSSIBLY learn how to control that electricity.

And use a certain large iron desposite and create a electromagnet, highly doubtful. All the slight electric pulses aren't nearly enough to move anything.

Not just your nerves, but spinal nerves.

Aren't spinal nerves nerves? I didn't know that lol

Essentially you circumvent the circuitry in your brain for quick action to preserve your body, also the reason that headless bodies can and will twitch on occasion.

Have you ever killed a chicken? You have to chase them around when you chop their heads off. They really do run around for a long time

 

[jd-inflames]

Here's your scientific explanation: Shit happens.

Science can't explain everything...not everything is a perfect science, I have found this one out, and no, I'm not spouting my pagan stuff right now, I'm just saying that not everything is explained through science right now, so try to look at it in a more open light.

And no...I still don't believe in a lot of the different types of ESP, but I have learned extensively about a few.