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hehe yeah, just some theory behind it all. you cant really apply anything though (apart from reducing your run time), but its interesting
 

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Guide to Item Generation and Item Drops

For all botters who run Pindle or Meph bot, here is what you would expect to find in terms of item calculations. They are all ranked in this table below, with exact odds of each item dropping.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/blo/items.htm

The table was made in a spreadsheet, and ive kept it seperate so that i can make new calculations and add them to the table at a later stage.

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There is much theory behind how item calculations work. For those who are interested, please read below:


When at item drops, it calculates what TC (Treasure Class) that monster can drop from. There are 60 TC's in the game, 30 from armor, and 30 from weapons. Weapon TC's are 3,6,9,12 .... 90 and the same applies for armor. Items are assigned to TC's by their Ilvl (Item Level).

For example: Ilvl's of 1,2 and 3 are assigned to TC 3, for weapon or armor, depending on what item type it is. Items within their TC have exactly the same drop rate, regardless of whether for example the Ilvl is 1 or 3, because they are still both in the same TC. Armor TC's are twice as rare as weapon TC's because there are fewer armor classes in the game.

For general interest Mephisto drops up to weapon/armor 78 (hense items such as Valor, Eaglehorn and Doombringer can be dropped from hell Mephisto). Pindleskin can drop from all TC's, including weapon/armor 90.

Here are the odds of Pindleskin dropping from certain TC's, with some popular items that exist in each particular TC:

* REMEMBER THAT MAGIC FIND HAS NO EFFECT ON TC SELECTION

Weapons
90 - 1234 to 1 (Stormspire, BK Mythical Sword, Gris Weapon)
87 - 154 to 1 (Windforce, Grandfather, Cranium, Nat's Claw, BK Sacred Charge)
84 - 111 to 1 (Schaeffers, Messerschmidts, Sazabi's Sword)
81 - 109 to 1
78 - 145 to 1 (Eaglehorm, Doombringer, Mav's Bow)
75 - 70 to 1 (Hellslayer, Lightsabre)
72 - 67 to 1 (Baranar's Star)

Armor
90 - 2467 to 1 (IK Armor, Gris Shield, Gris Helm)
87 - 308 to 1 (Mav's Helm, Aldurs Armor)
84 - 221 to 1 (Tal's Armor, Trang's Belt, Trang's Helm, Taebaek's Glory)
81 - 218 to 1 (Mav's Armor, Veil Of Steel, Ondal's Almighty)
78 - 290 to 1 (Valor, Sazabi's Armor, Naj's Armor)
75 - 140 to 1 (Nat's Armor)
72 - 135 to 1 (Stormshield, Gladiator's Bane)

And the odds for Mehpisto:

Weapons
90 - Cannot Drop
87 - Cannot Drop
84 - Cannot Drop
81 - Cannot Drop
78 - 442 to 1 (Eaglehorm, Doombringer, Mav's Bow)
75 - 55 to 1 (Hellslayer, Lightsabre)
72 - 32 to 1 (Baranar's Star)

Armor
90 - Cannot Drop
87 - Cannot Drop
84 - Cannot Drop
81 - Cannot Drop
78 - 883 to 1 (Valor, Sazabi's Armor, Naj's Armor)
75 - 110 to 1 (Nat's Armor)
72 - 65 to 1 (Stormshield, Gladiator's Bane)

* Note that these odds are just for this TC being selected. The chances of the item type being selected within that class, and the chances of it being set or unique is extremely low.

Ok now it has selected one of those TC's. It now looks at the items within that TC. Most TC's for both weapon and armor have 6-10 items in them.

Assume that a TC has 5 items in it So each item in that TC has a drop rate of 1/5. However, class specific items (including scepters and wands) have a 1/3 drop rate and assassin claws have a 2/3 drop rate within their TC. So if this class had 1 class specific item, and 1 assassin claw in in it, Then the odds would be 1/15 and 2/15 respectively (and the other 3 items would have drop rates of 3/12 each). TC's with alot of items in them that are class specific are extremely rare because of such low odds.

Here is an example for TC 51 (Weapons)
Item Odds
Anciet Sword 3 / 23
Grave Wand 1 / 23
Rune Bow 3 / 23
Zweihander 3 / 23
Swirling Crystal 1 / 23
Greater Talons 2 / 23
Harpoon 3 / 23
Ceremonial Pike 1 / 23
Bec-de-Corbin 3 / 23
Ancient Axe 3 / 23

Ok so now it has selected an item, that item will drop regardless of what magic find you have. But now magic find comes into it, it will determine the chance of the item being Unique/Set/Rare/Magical/Superior/Normal/Damaged (Pindleskin or Mephisto cannot drop superior, normal or damaged so rule out them). However some items cannot spawn as Unique or Set because not every item type has one. BUT, unique or set can still be selected.

If for example it selects a Set Shako (sounds weird doesn't it), thats not possible, so it downgrades the item to magical, and gives the magical shako 3 times the normal durability. And if for example a unique Ward is selected, also not possible, it will downgrade it to rare with 3 times the normal durability.

As you can see so far, you magic find does NOT have much impact on what items you find, but the type of item that is selected.

Now this is where another factor comes into it with magic find, which is Qlvl (Quality level). Its surprising to see the different quality levels of items. But basically the set or unique your looking for is more likely to drop if the quality level is much lower. If a monster's level is lower than the quality level of an item then that set or unique cannot drop.

For example:
You can find boots at the very start of act1 normal. But the set boots (Tancreds Hobnails) have a Qlvl of 27, which means that these boots cannot be found until normal Mephisto or there abouts. This is why some of the early items are so rare.
The Cranium Basher (Unique Thuner Maul) has a Qlvl of 91 (which means that no normal monster in the game can drop it because no normal monsters exceed level 90). Because of the very high item level, the chances of a Thunder Maul being unique is extremely low.
For Sacred Armor (IK Soul Cage is the Set piece), the Qlvl is only 37, making the chances of Sacred Armor being set very high (but good luck on getting Sacred Armor to drop with a 9047 to 1 odds)
I should point out that the chance of getting a unique from pindle can never be above 5%, even with 99999 magic find. But 800 or so magic find will give around a 4% chance of uniques for a Qlvl of 1, which is pretty decent. However for Cranium the chances of a Thunder Maul being unique would be around 3% for 800 magic find. Even if u dedicate your sorc to more mf, the overall % chance of getting uniques might increase from 3.5% to 3.6% for most items, so its generally not worth the time lost for each run.
For general interest the chances of getting a set item is around 11-13% (give or take depending of magic find and Qlvl of the item).

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Well that concludes How item generation works. Ive used a few sources for this research and i have written so that botters can see the chances of items dropping, and how magic find effects the chances of getting the item that you want. If you have any questions please ask me.
 

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rune dropping from hell countess is as follows (remember that mf has no effect on rune drops) -

Shael (13) 63 to 1
Dol (14) 95 to 1
Hel (15) 123 to 1
Io (16) 184 to 1
Lum (17) 242 to 1
Ko (18) 363 to 1
Fal (19) 480 to 1
Lem (20) 720 to 1
Pul (21) 966 to 1
Um (22) 1435 to 1
Mal (23) 1910 to 1
Ist (24) 2864 to 1
Gul (25) 3815 to 1
Vex (26) 5723 to 1


can someone plz sticky this :|
 

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I just calculated the odds of getting a log every run. it only logs exceptional sets/uniques, and elite pickups. So the odds of getting a log with 700mf from pindle is approximately 75 to 1, and from mephisto it is 5.5 to 1.
 

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It logs any uniqes it finds and Sc or Lc or Gc it finds also
 

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for d2jsp it logs charms and all that in a seperate file, well mine does. thats the odds of getting an item from the table i linked in my original post
 

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im assuming your referring to the info about TC's written above

mf has no effect on those drops. whether you are on lvl 1 with 0 mf or lvl 99 with 2000 mf, the chances of those items dropped is exactly the same.

if your referring to rune drops in my 2nd post then mf also has no effect
 

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those are not chances, they are just what some guy got..
heres the odds for rune drops from pindle (remember that this does not include pindle's minions, who can also drop the rune but the chances are almost impossible). remember that mf does not effect rune drops.

Um (22) 103980 to 1
Mal (23) 138400 to 1
Ist (24) 207610 to 1
Gul (25) 276570 to 1
Vex (26) 414850 to 1
Ohm (27) 552900 to 1
Lo (28) 829350 to 1
Sur (29) 1105600 to 1
Ber (30) 1658300 to 1
Jah (31) 2210900 to 1
Cham (32) 3316300 to 1
Zod (33) 13265000 to 1

as you can see, the chances are so low its just not worth hoping for high runes. you can also substitute these values into my table that i constructed (link up the top of thread). as you can see, a Gul (25) rune is rarer than gris shield
 

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Very well written. I love the table, although the colors could be a tad different- they are ugly. Anyhow, considering I know all that stuff- It was a good refresher post.

All I have to do is hope that the 210,000:1 Ratio will drop for me!
 

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lol good luck, even if u have a huge amount of mf the odds probably wont go under 200,000 to 1 so gris caddy will always be super rare.. i found 2 of them in 200,000 runs though which makes me pretty lucky in terms of that item.
 

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200,000 runs wow i have dun 1,000 mephs and 1000, pindle in 3 days but come on man 4 ss in 200,000 runs i have found 3 in 2,000 and if skullderz is more common then ss then how come i havnt found and but i got 3 ss and 3 war travs?
 

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what duz this comment have to do with anything I AM BORED and o yah why i came here duz ne1 in the wurld know how the hell to chose what items d2jsp pindlebot will pik up?
 

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hellfire did u read the guide, the type of item dropping is based on luck, so obviously u havent seen enough russet armor to find skullders
 

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ooo ur quik on answering and i knew that. i just like to complain but can ne1 answer me is there a way to chose what items i can pik up in pindlebot!?!?!?!
 
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