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[[if]gemini]

Why why why?

Hi everyone... I'm having a real problem in ladder games.... I'm not a n00b, I know everything about Warcraft, I've played it since the beginning, but in TFT I lose all 2 vs 2 AT ladder games.... I dont know if its me or my partner (but he seems pretty good too)

I'll tell you all what I do, and you can tell me where I go wrong...

I use orc, right away, I send all 5 peons to gold but use two to make altar and a burrow... I order 3 more orcs set rally point on wood.... when I have enough gold, that very second, I start making barracks.

When altar and burrow are done, I send peons back to work... and get the hero (the chain lightning guy). When hero comes out, I put a skill pt. into wolves and cast it so they can go scout for the other's bases. When barracks done, I get grunts.....

By the time 2 grunts come out, the other 2 players are all over my base with heroes and 5 units each.... How in the world is their gameplay so much faster? And how did they manage to upgrade to stronghold and get a warmill so fast??

I'm so lost! Its sad, I know, but I have no idea what I'm doing wrong... I've won 5 out of 30 games, and that SUCKS!!!!

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Well, that strat is used by about 70% of orc users, so it is not the strat that is bad. I find it is impossible to get a stronghold that early. If the opponent attacks u u need your partner to tp to your base, because it is crucial you do not lose to many units. also build a voodoo lounge, so you can get a healing salve and clarity potion for mana and health.

Post a replay and i can see what ur doing wrong

 

[Neptunez]

Here is a strat that i always used -- btw, i haven't played war3 in a few weeks, so i'm a tad rusty tho.

Basically i don't approve of strats, i find them un original, i usually try to mold my gameplay to the situations in the game at the time. I try to keep the untis comming. There is an important rule in war3, and that is; "Money that is not spent ia not worth anything at all". Try to spend everything, because war3 is a combat game, your prime objectave is to get units. But, keep in mind, if you are saving for a future advancement, this is ok.

Another tip i can give you is to get a 2nd mine, and get it damn fast. When i've played TillerMaN, that was a good strat he always used. The more gold/wood you have the better your untis will be upgraded, and the more you will win .

Always scout, keep a very good eye on your enimies, see what they are builing and build a "counter". Say your ne vs orc, your enimies are builing grunts, you build chims/ and other air. Easy, and i'm sure u already knew this before.

Now for my orcish strat; basically i start by putting 2 peons to gold, and the other 3 to build separate builings -- 1 burrow, 1 warmill, & 1 altar of storms. then send back to work. at the same time i am constantly getting peons at my great hall.

after a bit, i build a watch tower next to my great hall, and close to the warmill, this scares off rushing retards. at my altar i get a Far Seer (or blade master) and get his chain lightning. I keep building burrows, and increasing my peons. i also add another 2 watch towers. and ask my allies to cover for me, getting early untis. when i have enough, i upgrade my great hall, and get 2 spirt lodges

... bah, gotta go, i'll edit this, and finish writing later

 

[Aragorn7]

Waiting till the patch comes out might improve your chances....

 

[[if]gemini]

Hmmm.. interesting. Sometimes I wonder how in the world they upgraded their main hall so fast and got better units (impossible to have THAT much gold and wood to move that fast in the game)...

About a 2nd gold mine, yea thats always something I wanna do, but I end up getting rushed and annoyed constantly... :/

Is there really something out there that speeds up gameplay? Is this what they're doing? :/ If so, I think I just might stick to TowerDefense until the patch comes like you said... lol.

One more thing: Can you guys tell me if I should start rushing? I mean, it seems like when I do try to rush one guy, the other one is at my base so I have to make a choice: "stay here and fight? or go back and defend my base"? Better team work with my partner might help me solve this one, but wow, ladder games are tough, I have a lot to learn.... I really appreciate your feedback.

 

[VBadGirl]

i'll tell u why u lose. is very easy. have a look at the statistic of the 2v2 at ladder . u'll see that most of the ppl threre are either in a clan or very good. usually AT is very clan orientated and usually parters know eachother very well.

In at thats what its reduced at...who is a better team. mebber ur team isn't balanced enough mebbe u guys don't harass enough or attack too late...i cannot tell u whats wrong untill i c a replay.

 

[Aragorn7]

Vbadgirl is right. The sucess of the you rides upon your shoulders and the shoulders of your teammate. Without him you would obviously lose. You must be able to predict his movements before he even does them. AT is really about knowing your ally even better than yourself sometimes.

It is also about skill. You AND your ally need to be skilled at warcraft to even have a chance at AT. Level 6 and below need not apply.

 

[[if]gemini]

I think I know my AT partner pretty well... Thx for the advice, I'm not giving up though........... And I do run a clan (but its not WC3 oriented), so yea I know what its like to go up against real diehard PRO's.

I'm just gonna keep practicing and if I ever kick ass, I'll be sure to post a link to the replay. ^-^ heh. (dont hold your breath though)


Lilly
www.ClanIF.com

 

[NeverGoingBack]

ok this is a great grunt rush technique btw you should always have 1 grunt out by the time your heros out

1 peon on wood

1 peon on gold

3 peons = burrow, alter, and barracks

summon another peon

put summon peon on gold

burrow and alter finished put peons on gold

summon hero barracks finished put peon on wood or gold and summon grunt and hero

1 grunt and a hero done buils another burrow and sommon another grunt

2nd burrow finished build 2nd barracks


your initial army build order is basicaly this with 8 peons

4 burrows 2 barracks and an alter

probaly would have 6 on gold and 2 on wood

this works very well as soon as possible after you have a small army get your warmill

now you can creep or engage battle i would say after about 1 or 2 battles start pumping out head hunters cuase now that your enemy is over powered by grunts and is convinced that your massing them he most likely try to go air this were youve really got him becuase you stopped with grunts and have a good enough amount of head hunters to focus fire his army

like avalon said one of your best freinds is scouting always scout always know what ur enemy is building and were they are at

a real good strat is to wait untill enemy is creeping and attack his base untill he TP's but dont fight him just leave the area and start creeping this very good becuase you now know were ur enemy is, he doesnt have a tp and in most noob cases they will stay at there base for a while waiting for you to come back

avalon is wrong and right in the case of strats poeple get confused that a strat is a certain build order and unit production that enables them to win you should never get stuck in building the same thing every game you will lose alot instead only build what you need until a certain point without getting an access of resources this is why you always need to scout you always need to know what you going to have to build in order to counter your enemy

practice buddy learn you counters, micro and rally points

/EDIT btw most good players can win with only a up keep of 30-40 this is becuase once there army is killed they usualy move on and build the counter for what just killed there army

 

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by [if]gemini
I think I know my AT partner pretty well... Thx for the advice, I'm not giving up though........... And I do run a clan (but its not WC3 oriented), so yea I know what its like to go up against real diehard PRO's.

I'm just gonna keep practicing and if I ever kick ass, I'll be sure to post a link to the replay. ^-^ heh. (dont hold your breath though)


Lilly
www.ClanIF.com

Post a replay even if you don't kick ass. We want to see what you are doing wrong. We want to see if we can improve you.

 

[[if]gemini]

Ok great! I'll follow that... and see what happens.. by the way, my AT partner and I won one yesterday, they rushed us, got their hero's killed, then we moved into their base right away and destroyed.... But it probably not going to happen every time. hehe...

Ok anyway I'll try that strategy. ^.^

 

[VBadGirl]

i"ll put up some AT that I did with my parteners and I. it will give u a better idea about what u should do. And well if u follow what we doing u should be ranked soon coz we are..254 last time i checked .

 

[Kam_Islash]

I wonder also,why my opponents are able to amass such vast forces so fast whereas I barely have ten or fifteen units by the time I am destroyed....

Oh and the HAcked maps in the WCII Battlenet are both prevailent and annoying

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[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by Kam_Islash
I wonder also,why my opponents are able to amass such vast forces so fast whereas I barely have ten or fifteen units by the time I am destroyed....

Oh and the HAcked maps in the WCII Battlenet are both prevailent and annoying

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Again this threads topic is about WC3, not WCII.