NE~How to counter Undead as Night Elf

[VBadGirl]

How to counter Undead as Night Elf

This is indeed maybe one of the most difficult match ups.

---sLEepZ --vs-- a-L.MSI.Mirai---
***lvl 31***vs****lvl 10*****
/ /*realm: azeroth vs northen*/ /

this game is from WC3L Champions League.

the game is played on twisted meadows. sleepz starts with dk and ghouls while mirai grabs beast master and archers with few hunts. the game involves extensive creeping in the begining but as the game evolves the battles become more tense. mirai scouts just in time to find sleepz evil plans...gargs and he stats getting hippos.

knowing the power of the hippos, sleepz gets second and third hero, DL (aura and carrion swarm) and CL (armour and impale).

As the game advances it gets more strategic nearly as a chess match..scouting, making sure neither of them expand.

and to get only worse sleepz add in my ghouls+ gargs army destroyers also. hell iteslf unleashed for the ne player.

how he fights back?, rather intresting. archers, hippos and chims, with only one hero BM (lvl 9 eventually).

how he actually pulls it off with one hero and 2 mass aoe spells on the UD side? you gotta see the replay.

click HERE for the replay.

 

[VBadGirl]

this game is between two of the best players on west, politik being currently placed first in the solo ladder.

Politik(UD) --vs-- mOOn-GladE
***lvl37***vs***lvl29***
/ /***realm: West***/ /

this match its held on plunder isle, and politik starts with dk and ghouls, followed by a fast teh. moon-glade is choosing DH and is playing with politik keeping him in his base for a while. he has 1 aow and is getting hunts while he is also fast tehing.

as soon as Moon-glade expands he also finds out what politik is been preparing for him. can you guess? yes, thats right..gargs.

as second hero he choses lich while moon-glade goes for kotg and some entangleling action.

when politik starts harassing his main base and expansion with gargs, moon-glade is forced to add in his army archers also.

as ultimate units he gets some chims also.

the match is hard enought since politik almost goes solely gargs. watch out and find how moon-glade pulls it out.

click HERE for the replay

 

[Aragorn7]

OOOoooooOOOOO

Theroy will like this a lot.

 

[None293823]

Didnt you show us a replay vs politik once, Aragorn in which you own???

 

[Samsara]

Prolly this will make Theroy shut his trap about "ud imbalance". oh well i still believe UD is unbalanced but still counterable.

 

[None293823]

No you just dont know how to counter UD

 

[VBadGirl]

WCB_Wangder(UD) --vs-- BB_DVD (NE)
******vl42*******vs****lvl46*****
/ /********realm: Kalimdor***********/ /

this is a very intresting replay and it touches a less used tehnique against ne (compared with gargs abuse)...mass ud towers.

dvd has a lot of troubles holding back wangder specially because he started off with archers and beast master. he succeeds taking couple of his towers and dispell his blight but wangder rebuilds and succeeds having up to 4-5 towers, killing his beast master couple times.

It looks like the game is fast coming to an end now that the ud reached lvl 4 while dvd is barely lvl 2. his over confidence will make him pay in the end. his dk gets trapped and dies just before BM reaches lvl 3 and puts in action his hawk.

in the end he has to retreat and try to keep the slight lvl advantage he has over BM.

what happends? see the replay

 

[Ntrik_]

his dk gets trapped and dies just before BM reaches lvl 3 and puts in action his hawk.

and i thoguht itwas UD vs NE?
btw, vbad stop posting replays, rather post strategies used in replays with it, thats should be much helpful, and it can go in to my strat thingy.. i need MOOOORRRREEE strats, i only have 1 per race.

 

[VBadGirl]

BM stands for beast master, if you would have read only couple rows above you would get it. legend, stfu before i warn you for spamming. the strategies are before your eyes. dl the replays and see it for yourself!.

use your brain and stop waiting for already made staregies, those never work because your style and skill lvl is differnt that the ones that played the game. but you can learn and try to combined a bit from everything you seen.

 

[VBadGirl]

i have told you and im telling you again. those replays have the thing you are looking for. different combos to fight against differnt strategies used by ud. dl them and stop reapeating yourself.

 

[Ntrik_]

^ you do realize that wasnt spamming, rather request for the build orders and what units they used at least.... and i do use my brain, thats how i got 1 strat for each races vbad, and now i wait for more strats since i cant think of anything else that might be effective. And this is for general ppl, not jus for my self vbad.


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ok, i did see them all.. i dun have any trouble wit UD, at ALL, but i keep on losing against HU... :'( (mayb i was meant to lose everygame to HU in 1.14?)

 

[None293823]

Hmm i dont think you dont have problem vs UD.Actually im sure you have

 

[VBadGirl]

Kindasad(NE) --vs-- Politik(UD)
***lvl31*****vs****lvl36****
/ / ******realm: West*******/ /

I have to say this a very exciting game and I have enjoyed it a lot. the game starts off a bit slowly with extensive creeping during tier one. as the game progresses the things heat up.

politik goes for the classing combo fiends and statues while kindasad goes for archers talons as main army and a few hunts in the begining.

the situation bounces from one player to another. towards the end the things are steaming specially when kindasad loses his main hero, DH. at this point beast master becomes the primar hero which will tick the scales in his favor.

a lot might say that beast master is indeed hard to kill but not that hard when a skilled player suck as politk faces him.

both end up loosing thier expansion and with no money for a while. do you wanna know how it ends? dl the replay and find out .

 

[VBadGirl]

AT-MnZ(UD) --vs-- l3iGD(NE)
***lvl22*****vs*****lvl38*****
/ /*****realm: Northen*****/ /

I have to admit you dont see everyday UD players going this combo against ne. also a very intresting choice of skills onhis dk, death pact, coil and aura.

the ud starts off with fiend build and DK adding in lich and ultimately CL. leigd goes for warden first followed by DH.

the night elf goes harassing while he also creeps with his archers and upgrading fast his tol. mnz goes for fiends and tries to fend him off and also to creep.

at tier 2 leigd adds in talons and giants while mnz gets statues. few battles happend and mnz is forced twice to tp out. as tier 3 mnz gets abom and the battle really starts to heat up.

what happends and how l3igd pulls it off, you have to dl the replay and find out.

 

[Xenoce]

Actually, I think Theroy will hate this. He is contradicted by the fact that UD is not unbeatable by NE of roughly equal skill, and that ghoul/garg is not unbeatable.

 

[Ntrik_]

I think, you bumping 5 month thread will not make mods happy

But I had to say, mods in NE section are lazy dumb****s, they should unsticky all the stickies in this section because they are old as hell.

Garg+ghoul is so easy to beat with NE, its not even funny. (har sarcasm, but you can beat it)