Lets talk about the Economy, Lesson #1: Gross Domestic Product

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Okay, I've noticed that this forum is pretty retarded. There are some bright spots, but they're the exception, not the rule. So instead of sitting back, and laughing at you guys like I normally do, I'm going to try to be somewhat constructive and do some educating. However, this is very uncharicteristic of me, so if I start telling you people how dumb you are in the middle of this post, don't be suprised.

Secondly, I feel somewhat entitled to make these educational posts on economics because I've had 2 classes in Micro and Macro Economics, so I feel a little bit more educated on the issue than say, your average joe.

Aight, lets get started with lesson #1, GDP, and the other associated numbers that go with it, including Gross Per Capita Income, and others.

Gross Domestic Product is a measure of all a nation's stuff generated in a year, and is determined by the formula:

GDP = Consumption + Investment + Government Purchases + Exports - Imports

And the units on the forumula are a particular currency, dollars for example.

Now lets talk about each of these terms for a second:

Consumption - Consumption is the goods and services people buy in a year. If you don't buy it, it's not counted as consumption. And sales of used items are not counted in the GDP, since they had already been sold previously.

Investment - This term describes the amount of money a person or corporation (which is a person legally) had put into new capital this year. This also includes buisnesses increasing their inventories. So for instance, if they did not sell a car one year, and they kept it, it would be counted as investment.

Government Purchases - Should be fairly simple. Stuff government buys (includes goods AND services).

Exports and Imports - No brainer here as well.

So when all this adds up, we get a pretty good idea of the price of the amount of goods and services that a country makes per year.

However, since the price of goods can go down or up (inflate or deflate), this can affect the GDP. Therefore, usually, when doing comparisons, a number called "Real GDP" is used.

"Real GDP" is calculated by another number called a "price index". A price index is the ratio of the value of a "market basket" of goods of one year, over the current year. Allow me to show you a simple example:

Lets say that our economy produces just 1 thing, Pizza. So, to find out the price index for the years 1990 to 2004, I would buy a pizza in 1990, and a pizza in 2004. If the price of the pizza in 2004 was 10$, and the price of the very same pizza in 1990 was 8$, then the price index from 1990 to 2004 would be:

Price Index = 10$ / 8$ = 1.25 (2004 dollars / 1990 dollars)

Of course, we make more than just pizza in the US, so to determine the price index of goods and services, you have to buy a "basket" or large sample of goods that we produce.

So that way, we can adjust for inflation or deflation in prices using this index. For example, if the GDP for the US was 10 dollars in 1990, and 20 dollars in 2004, and the price index was 1.25, we could use the price index to figure out how much our GDP had really increased, and how much was just inflation.

Calculation is done like so:

20 (2004 dollars) / 1.25 (2004 dollars / 1990 dollars = 16 1990 dollars

So, the GDP actually increased by 6 1990 dollars.

Hope that makes sense.

And now, for the real measure of economic prosperity that I prefer, Real GDP Per Capita.

Real GDP per Capita is a measure of how much stuff each particular person produces, and is a good measure for the Standard of Living.

The Real GDP per Capita is calculated by taking the Real GDP and dividing by the country's population.

In 2003, the GDP per Capita of the United States was $34,960 (1999 Dollars) (Source), making us one of the more prosperous countries in the world.

And now I'm spent. Hopefully that will hold you guys over until next time, when I will probably write about supply and demand and taxes.
 

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Is this supposed to convince us that Bush did a good job?
 

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Galatia said:
Is this supposed to convince us that Bush did a good job?
No, we prolly won't know if he screwed up or not until quite a few years down the road. This is just to try to get the ignorance level in this forum down a bit.

PS - What's up with me supposedly being pro-bush? It just happens that a lot of idiots on this board post up anti-bush stuff. So when I tell them they're retarded (which they generally are), this makes me pro-bush? Well, I'm not pro-Bush, I'm just Anti-Idiot.

Hell, Gelly, we just had a conversation on AIM about how I'm probably not going to vote because I really dislike both of the candidates. Yeeesh, you of all people.
 

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vote anyway. vote for a third party canidate, even if you dont agree with them. they have no chance of getting elected, but if you know anyone whose not going to vote have them vote third party :] we need to give the democrats and republicans some more competition... make this more of a democracy. right now if your not dem or republican., you have no chance off getting elected. that needs changed.


i took macroeconomics last year at my community college.... forgot everything i learned after i took a test over it. this year i must take micro.
 

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c9h13no3 said:
Hell, Gelly, we just had a conversation on AIM about how I'm probably not going to vote because I really dislike both of the candidates. Yeeesh, you of all people.
if i could vote i would do the same. abstain.
 

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never abstain! vote for the best of all the canidates no matter how low their chances are of getting elected. if everyone thought like this then wed have more representitive elections. if you hate them all vote for the one you hate the least. or vote for a third party canidate that shares the same views as the canidate you hate most... split some of his votes :p
 

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Simply put, GDP is all "business" or money spent/gained within a countries own borders.
Or, at least, that is the simple definition I was given in my International Business class this past week. :\
 

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Arguement? Maybe not.
Discussion? Yes.
 

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Yeah but hardly any of it is on topic, seems to be more about voting. C9 calls this forum ignorant...... I'd like to try him point out numerous examples.
 

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c9h13no3 said:
In 2003, the GDP per Capita of the United States was $34,960 (1999 Dollars) (Source), making us one of the more prosperous countries in the world.
A prosperous country, indeed. According to the Cencus Bureau though, * the poverty rate in 2003 wa the the highest since 1998, when it reached 12.7 percent. The Census Bureau places the poverty threshold for a family of four at $18,810.*

According to the same report, *the number of Americans in poverty rose from 12.1 percent in 2002 to 12.5 percent a year later, totaling 35.8 million people, and that the number of uninsured Americans rose during the same period by 1.4 million, to 45 million, or 15.6 percent of the population*

So, yes. USA is a prosperous country but economic numbers dont always reflect the condition of people's pockets...
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Yup. Not everyone has a lot of money in the U.S. There's plenty of homeless people around where I live. And they look so sad, which sucks because I want to give them stuff to survive but I can't. We are prosperous, but also with our own problems. It sucks, if I was like Bill Gates or something I'd atleast try and donate a lot of my money to homeless centers, and places like that around the U.S. where proverty is really bad. I have a a bad feeling proverty will keep rising too.
 

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Darkmatter said:
Yup. Not everyone has a lot of money in the U.S. There's plenty of homeless people around where I live. And they look so sad, which sucks because I want to give them stuff to survive but I can't. We are prosperous, but also with our own problems. It sucks, if I was like Bill Gates or something I'd atleast try and donate a lot of my money to homeless centers, and places like that around the U.S. where proverty is really bad. I have a a bad feeling proverty will keep rising too.

The sad fact is that even if you did give many of those people money, they would only waste it. Most citizens in poverty in America are in that state because they chose to, by poor decisions or whatever else. There are plenty of opportunities in America to get a job and get money, you just have to be willing to sacrifice for it. Some are not willing to do that.
 

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Galatia said:
and that the number of uninsured Americans rose during the same period by 1.4 million, to 45 million, or 15.6 percent of the population*
This is slightly misleading. Those numbers also include people who can afford insurance, but chose not to.[/QUOTE]
 

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