I thought God wasn't supposed to hate ANYTHING.

[Orcryst]

If ANY god exists, or if any god IS (is = whole term) why why this being have a reason, or BE a reason to hate ANYTHING. Catholic God: Wouldn't hate sin, because hate is wrong. But if their god is never wrong, their God shouldn't hate anything.
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"God: Without faith, I am nothing.
Person/dude: But I have PROOF that you exist! There is no faith in your existance when there is proof!
God: Oh, dear... I didn't think about THAT one... *POOF!*"

That was from "The Hitch-hikers' Guide to The Galaxy", By Douglas Adams.

Not necessarly specific, but I found it funny. See, maybe there are other kinds of faith. That maybe, you have faith in God, but you may not believe that God loves you, stuff like that. Maybe the Gods from EVERY religion DO exist, and there are OTHER Gods we haven't even considered. Maybe God said "Science, lend me a hand with this tree, will ya?" It's just one of the many theories that may seem off the wall to you.
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Now, back to THIS... if anything that created us COULD hate us, and DOES hate some things, the question is..... who the Hell are WE to decide what someone, or something like that... who are WE to decide what they hate and love? I think first, you have to ask yourself: What do YOU hate? And never, never, NEVER declare or assume the feelings or thoughts of someone else. Especially those that aren't even of your own species. ESPEEEEECIALLY with whatever is beyond, and you don't even know what it or they are.

 

[c9h13no3]

Change the topic of your post to:

"God wasn't supposed to hate ANYTHING"

It will be more fitting.

That is all.

 

[t.A.T.u97]

You kneel down and ask him yourself, he'll answer you.




I dont get why so many people here question the lord and all this other stuff and dont even take the time to pray to him. I'm tellin you, he will help you and guide you through anything. He does answer every prayer, just maybe with a different outcome (No, praying to win the lottery wont happen in a snap of a finger)

 

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by t.a.t.u97
You kneel down and ask him yourself, he'll answer you.




I dont get why so many people here question the lord and all this other stuff and dont even take the time to pray to him. I'm tellin you, he will help you and guide you through anything. He does answer every prayer, just maybe with a different outcome (No, praying to win the lottery wont happen in a snap of a finger)

[glow=red] Very simple reason, we don't pray to go, because there is no God.[/glow]

 

[Sogeking]

physicaly prove there is no god, die and come back from the dead somehow and prove it.

 

[Kuzmich]

[glow=red] How about you proove to me that there is god, i mean common science explains things by using facts, god doesn't.[/glow]

 

[Orcryst]

Short-sighted facts.
---Beside that, you have no reason to say "There is a God" or "There is no God", because at least I don't have proof of either. If we did have proof, then we would need proof of that the proof is real.

----to t.a.t.u97, there are some of us who DO pray to God, just because you don't see them, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Beside that, what religion are you, t.a.t.u97? Why do you take part in this religion? Also, on topic..... what do you think God or Gods, or Goddesses hate or disapprove of? Do you think you even know?

 

[Sogeking]

Originally posted by Orcryst

what religion are you, t.a.t.u97?

Church of tatu, lesbians dance for the affection of men, and god is really a supreme being that makes everyone have sex all the time

 

[cxoli]

I don't know if there was actually a question to answer in Orcryst's original post, so I'll answer his questions to t.a.t.u97 instead.

1. What religion are you?
2. Why do you take part in this religion?
3. Also, on topic..... what do you think God or Gods, or Goddesses hate or disapprove of?
4. Do you think you even know?

1. Christian, Lutheran.
2. Originally it was because I was raised in a Lutheran family. Now it's because I don't think everything we know could have been simply created by chance (my favorite analogy is that the universe being created by chance is like a tornado going through a junkyard and creating an airplane). Also, parts of Christianity seem different somehow, e.g. how it didn't die off even after its leader was crucified, consistancies between the Bible and science, etc. There are various other reasons but that's a simplified part of it.
3 and 4. I have no idea. I don't believe in "works righteousness" but I do believe in trying to be a good person to some extent, so I could understand a god/goddess hating people who have committed capital crimes and such. I suppose there's other stuff, but I doubt I'm a very good judge of right and wrong anyway, so I'll just leave it at that.

I dont get why so many people here question the lord and all this other stuff and dont even take the time to pray to him. I'm tellin you, he will help you and guide you through anything. He does answer every prayer, just maybe with a different outcome (No, praying to win the lottery wont happen in a snap of a finger)

I suppose they don't pray because it seems foolish to talk to a God you don't believe in. Then again, not all Christians pray, and most question the Lord at some point, so we are not all that different in some ways.

 

[Xenoce]

Just one minor point I address, off topic though it may be.

Cxoli's annalogy, like so many of their kind, lack somethinging basic. That's a sense of time.

You must realize the scale in which you're dealing with, when you speak of the universe, and one of the reasons for believing in a creator being of some sort. The scale is so impossibly large, there is no scale.

If you can imagine a tornado going through a junkyard, do you believe that the tornado, if you run enough scenarios, will eventually produce something at least vaguely recognizable? It's rather likely that it's happened already. Something at least vaguely recognizable has come of a tornado/some other storm, I mean. Now, how long do you think it would take to produce something considerably more then vaguely recognizable? An airplane, to use your example. Not gonna happen in your lifetime, right? But do you deny the possibility, that something like an airplane could be assembled?

I'm not speaking of something so unlikely that it's virtually unthinkable for it to happen. I mean do you deny even the percentage of a percentage of an infantessimally small pecentage of a chance that such a thing could be possible?

Now, what say we take that small 1/9999999th^-100^-100^-100 of a chance and multiply that by infinity, what do you get?

Now, I multiplied by an infinite number. That's cheating!

Not exactly. What is time when the universe as we know it doesn't exist? Without our universe as a frame of refrence, no time is passing at all, as well as any length of time you can name. Essentially, it quallifies ad an infinity. Multiply infinity by any such chance number and you invariably get every possible outcome.

Our universe was destined to arise by chance.

Edit: Reason for not answering the original posters questions, or even trying to: I am secular. I think the concept of a god, as classically stands, is inherrently folly. At least it is if such things as the bible are to believed, taken with anything less then Don Juan Pond.

 

[t.A.T.u97]

Originally posted by cxoli
I don't know if there was actually a question to answer in Orcryst's original post, so I'll answer his questions to t.a.t.u97 instead.

1. What religion are you?
2. Why do you take part in this religion?
3. Also, on topic..... what do you think God or Gods, or Goddesses hate or disapprove of?
4. Do you think you even know?

1. Christian, Lutheran.
2. Originally it was because I was raised in a Lutheran family. Now it's because I don't think everything we know could have been simply created by chance (my favorite analogy is that the universe being created by chance is like a tornado going through a junkyard and creating an airplane). Also, parts of Christianity seem different somehow, e.g. how it didn't die off even after its leader was crucified, consistancies between the Bible and science, etc. There are various other reasons but that's a simplified part of it.
3 and 4. I have no idea. I don't believe in "works righteousness" but I do believe in trying to be a good person to some extent, so I could understand a god/goddess hating people who have committed capital crimes and such. I suppose there's other stuff, but I doubt I'm a very good judge of right and wrong anyway, so I'll just leave it at that.



I suppose they don't pray because it seems foolish to talk to a God you don't believe in. Then again, not all Christians pray, and most question the Lord at some point, so we are not all that different in some ways.

Heard of the expression "Dont knock it il you try it?"

I think everyone should give the christianity religion a try because God has helped me alot in my life and I think he'd do the same to yours. And if a Christian doesn't pray they are most likely not a christian. I don't see why people are trying so hard here to prove the lord doesn't exist when he does. Like I said, pray to him and ask him. Hes done great things for everyone around me. I think you should at least give the religion a try.

 

[cxoli]

Heard of the expression "Dont knock it il you try it?"

I think everyone should give the christianity religion a try because God has helped me alot in my life and I think he'd do the same to yours. And if a Christian doesn't pray they are most likely not a christian. I don't see why people are trying so hard here to prove the lord doesn't exist when he does. Like I said, pray to him and ask him. Hes done great things for everyone around me. I think you should at least give the religion a try.

I am Christian and I do pray, so I'm not really seeing your point here. Also, from my understanding, what makes someone Christian is basically their belief in God and Jesus as the Son of God, regardless of whether or not they pray. Also, although I believe in God, I don't think it's wise to say "I don't see why people are trying so hard here to prove the lord doesn't exist when he does." If you are going to believe in something that you can't prove, then you have to accept both sides as possible truths.

Now, how long do you think it would take to produce something considerably more then vaguely recognizable? An airplane, to use your example. Not gonna happen in your lifetime, right? But do you deny the possibility, that something like an airplane could be assembled?

No, I don't deny this possiblity. I am very well aware of the fact that there may not be a God, but I choose to believe in him anyway. Still, that's why if you ask me how sure I am that God exists I will only give you something around 85%. And if someone happens to disprove the existance of God, well, that doesn't really make our universe any less amazing to me.

Sorry this is off-topic and just random thoughts >_<

 

[Xenoce]

T.a.t.u97, I gave religion a try. When I was a child, I prayed, and earnestly tried to believe in god. Apperently, god either A) Ignored me completely, or B) Did something else which I didn't and don't precieve as any sort of strength/acknowledgement. If god wanted to keep my faith, It's my belief that he would've intervened. At least enough to let me know that he's there. Simple moral support could've been great.

Unless you go along with the watchmaker belief. It states that god makes a universe, or several, or soemthing like that, and simply watches what happens, without interracting with the universe or the populace in any way. I don't accept this system, because why would god create a situation he knew would fail? Let's face it, a good majority of the earth's population have and will go to "hell" if you believe in it in the classical sense. That's billions upon billions of people, or "souls" if you will, that are going to be suffering eternally, because of a flaw in god's design.

So I don't accept either belief.

Nobody can prove or disprove the existance of any sort of god. It's beyond testing, aside from personal faith. I don't believe in a god, because of the aforementioned reasons. Now, if the place of hell somehow miscommunicated to us, then the concept of god becomes vastly more viable to me.

Really, what do you believe hell to be? If such a place exists, I would think it something like a school. Anne Rice did an admirable description of the kind of hell I'm speaking about in her book "Memnoch the Devil".

But most laugh or merely consider it something nonimportiant when I bring this up. So I turned to what I was heading for anyways. Secular Humanism. 'Tis a fun belief, and an unfun one at the same time. But I digress, this topic is about god.

 

[Arkillo]

Originally posted by Kuzmich
[glow=red] How about you proove to me that there is god, i mean common science explains things by using facts, god doesn't.[/glow]

God has yet to be disproven, so let these little people belive in him until we find a way to do it.

 

[thegrim_reaper]

there is no way to prove if god exists one way or the other, if you think he exists and you are proven right then you go to heaven and there is no way to tell anyone else.
if not you sit in the grave
the only way to prove him is if god came down himself and said "I EXIST MORONS"
the rest is just faith my friends just faith

 

[AZN_FLEA]

GOD doesnt hate anything i think. u say that he hates sins, no he punishes people and feels sad cuz so many people have betrayed him. he punishes people with sins for the sake of justice if you had a person kill your mother and he went to heaven you would have the right to be angry cuz you havent been treated fairly. thats the same with GOD he doesnt hate YOU he is angry at SIN. sin lead bilions of his followers to their deaths wouldnt you be angry? you just turn away from GOD just cuz he didnt answer your prayers properly. persistants, patience, love, hope, and faith are required. GOD doesnt just answer your prayers right away. you need to pray for a long time to show that you really belive in him. after that you will find that he answeres your prayers faster and with beta results.
there is proof that he exists the bible. but it is full of scientific errors made by ANCIENT PPL WHO DIDNT KNOW SHIT ABOIUT SCIENCE. it seems that the bible aint proof enough so believe in GOD for a LONG time and he will answer you. if he doesnt then you havent done it right. shit this is the longest non spam post ive eva done

 

[Static]

alright. here we goes.

Believing in God is for the weak minded who need help with life. He was made as a booster. Much like training wheels. People get into the mind set they won't fall because jesus will help me stand, much like training wheels (i am speeching metaphorically here).

people say "Oh GOD helpped me through the bad." NO! You helpped yourself. You got through it with no help what-so-ever. It is like the movies (follow me here) If the character knows the gun is unloaded he had confidence, no fear because a fire from the gun that is staring at him won't hurt him. But when all is said and done he does the..."no i am not that brave the gun isnt even lo....*gunfire*" and it turns out it was loaded.

It is these false hopes and beliefs that get people through the day, "Oh the gun isn't loaded I will be ok" which is like... "oh god is there, I will be ok."

when in fact there are bullets in the chamer and There is no god helpping you. You pulled through with your own false thinking.

 

[c9h13no3]

Originally posted by Static
Believing in God is for the weak minded who need help with life.

Is it wrong to believe in an imaginary figure if it helps you accomplish what was otherwise not possible?

 

[Static]

Not really wrong but i am just stating my point of the discussion.

Just from my point of view it would be better to look towards tomorrow would be better type of outlook then something that isnt there

 

[Xenoce]

GOD doesnt hate anything i think. u say that he hates sins, no he punishes people and feels sad cuz so many people have betrayed him. he punishes people with sins for the sake of justice if you had a person kill your mother and he went to heaven you would have the right to be angry cuz you havent been treated fairly. thats the same with GOD he doesnt hate YOU he is angry at SIN. sin lead bilions of his followers to their deaths wouldnt you be angry? you just turn away from GOD just cuz he didnt answer your prayers properly. persistants, patience, love, hope, and faith are required. GOD doesnt just answer your prayers right away. you need to pray for a long time to show that you really belive in him. after that you will find that he answeres your prayers faster and with beta results.
there is proof that he exists the bible. but it is full of scientific errors made by ANCIENT PPL WHO DIDNT KNOW SHIT ABOIUT SCIENCE. it seems that the bible aint proof enough so believe in GOD for a LONG time and he will answer you. if he doesnt then you havent done it right.

That really is a stupid way for a god to behave. I'd think that those still unsure with the whole concept of faith would need his "answers" faster, and more. There is no logical reason that a god who is both omnipotent and omniscient not to answer everyone with equal speed.

god doesn't exist. If he does as classically interpreted by virtually any religion on earth, he is malevolent. The supposedly "all forgiving" god sends someone to hell with no chance for redemption. That right there is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard, and if anyone can actually believe that, they're just brain-washed idiots. If not idiots, just heavily brain-washed.

shit this is the longest non spam post ive eva done

It shows.