How do you beat Undead?

[Silynt Rage]

First off, raise dead sucks, and this thread is much like how do you counter dryads thread.

I'm a big Elf player as you all know.. I just had a really really tough game that I got out of. I was fortunate enough to win, but there where 3 of us, all of us ended up being elves. The only way we ended up winning was the fact that we didn't let them expand, we eventually ran them out of money. (oh how I love sentinals... everytime they'd start to expand, we'd take them out) You can't go right into their base without something like starfall or earthquake because they have upgraded Ziggs, and running in their, necros would have a field day. Of course there is always siege, but by the time you knock one zigg down, they're already on top of you and you have to move your melee in there anyways.

Anyhow... Had they managed their money better, they could have slaughtered us with Necromancers... they spent money on a spread between Gargoyles, a ton of abominations... which my dryads smeared with the combination of huntresses, and they also made a few Necros, but nothing to get exieted about. Had they been really smart, they would have had the Human that was on their team build sorceress and priests, they would have absolutely mauled our troops... even with 3 starfalls on our team.

so I guess my question is... how do you defeat a group of necromancers evenly spaced with other units such as abominations and other units of the sort? or rather what's the best method that you've found?

My method is go for the necros first... then the hero, then all the other stuff.

Let me know what you do.

 

[Emperor Pan I]

I love the undead, and think raise dead is great, but gargoyles suck, and so do abombinations. If i was elf, i would use huntresses and dryads, but seeing your post, i have to wonder if this is a good strat. Against an undead player, i antisipate necros, so i build banshees and possess his good units like abombs, and come out with mass necros. i don't play human or orc.

 

[Placebo]

Wand of Negation does 200 dmg ( I believe) to ANY summoned unit. Buy 2 or 3 and boom.

I also do that against Poly, Inner Fire, Scroll of Protection and 75% of all other things.

It cost around 200 gold tho

 

[Silynt Rage]

See, that's a big problem with my game placebo, I don't know any of those spells that you can buy at a goblin merchant. Other than TP, that's really the only thing I go for when I buy stuff there. I know wand of negation, but those are expensive and don't have a very big radius that it's effective in. So I think they're worthless, not to mention you have to get your hero so damned close, assuming they don't go for your hero to start with.

 

[GreenClover]

Bears & Dryads should take out any undead combo, i've beaten many undead players with it..simple easy and effective i think anyway...you could use DOTT's (druid of talon) and cyclone the army of necros and just kill the rest of the army then wait for them to drop...i won a 2v1 with cyclone last night heh...cyclone is bears mmm how mean.

 

[brigade]

Why buy wands when you can use Wisps... their detonate skill does the same thing.

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally posted by GreenClover
Bears & Dryads should take out any undead combo, i've beaten many undead players with it..simple easy and effective i think anyway...you could use DOTT's (druid of talon) and cyclone the army of necros and just kill the rest of the army then wait for them to drop...i won a 2v1 with cyclone last night heh...cyclone is bears mmm how mean.

You must realy play newbs. against every race, you need to know what theyre getting. ?If u got Druid of the talon and cyclone, ill have banshees waiting. whether i possess u, ill still have my necros with antimagic shield. then they will rape you cause two spellcasters and no meele units is bound to fail.

 

[SkuZZy]

So you want to know how to beat the undead do ya? Well I'll tell you how to beat the undead. There man pulls a knife, your man pulls gun. They send your man to the hospital, you send their man to the morgue. That's how you beat the undead!

 

[Silynt Rage]

yeah, but when you send their man to the morgue, they're undead, they come back to life... so that doesn't explain how to beat them.

I've found that Druid of the talon do a great job against any army, I love that cyclone. I'm fairly decent against other races, but Undead I just seem to have a tough time with. I love it when I get teamed up with undead players who know the value of necros.

I haven't seen many banshee's put to use, or their abilities, and I'm nearly level 11 (still), and I fail to see large groups of those.

let me know what they're about.

~RaGe~

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally posted by Silynt Rage
yeah, but when you send their man to the morgue, they're undead, they come back to life... so that doesn't explain how to beat them.

I've found that Druid of the talon do a great job against any army, I love that cyclone. I'm fairly decent against other races, but Undead I just seem to have a tough time with. I love it when I get teamed up with undead players who know the value of necros.

I haven't seen many banshee's put to use, or their abilities, and I'm nearly level 11 (still), and I fail to see large groups of those.

let me know what they're about.

~RaGe~

To me, banshees are great spellcasters. their three magic's are,
1. Antimagic Shield: Any units it is cast on, can't have any spells cast on him. It's kinda like temporarly puting the dryads ability on it. Also damages summoned units.
2. Cripple: don't actualy know what this does, but it sounds good
3. Possess: For a small price of 180 gold, u can possess a unit like the Dark Archon. I took an army of Taurens from this one guy. it can mess up a shamans and tauren strat pretty bad.

 

[Silynt Rage]

hmm just out of curiousity, have you ever tried to possess a peon? obviously if it's that late in the game, what's the point, but can you create an entire separate race of your own if you so choose? like be Orc and undead if you like? Just wondering

~RaGe~

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally posted by Silynt Rage
hmm just out of curiousity, have you ever tried to possess a peon? obviously if it's that late in the game, what's the point, but can you create an entire separate race of your own if you so choose? like be Orc and undead if you like? Just wondering

~RaGe~

I have tried that, but blizzard is one step ahead of everyone.. sadly if u possess a new race, it takes up ur food. so no matter what, u can only have 90 food.

 

[PsYcHoTiC]

To me, banshees are great spellcasters. their three magic's are,
1. Antimagic Shield: Any units it is cast on, can't have any spells cast on him. It's kinda like temporarly puting the dryads ability on it. Also damages summoned units.
2. Cripple: don't actualy know what this does, but it sounds good
3. Possess: For a small price of 180 gold, u can possess a unit like the Dark Archon. I took an army of Taurens from this one guy. it can mess up a shamans and tauren strat pretty bad.

So so wrong...

1. Banshees antimagic shell is correct, though I'm not positive it hurts summoned units seeing how you can only use it on your own men.
2. Banshees dont have cripple you fool, they have curse. Cripple is a necromancer spell that greatly reduces movement, attack speed, and attack damage. It's a great spell but it costs 175.
3. Possess is great for the main fighter units as you said (Bears, Aboms, Knights, Taurens) It is also great against air units. use the crypt fiends to web them to the ground and then possess them. When I fight banshees as humans and I have my typical late-game knights and sorceresses, I have to poly the banshees instead of the aboms because they have take my knights so easily.

BTW, their third spell, curse, costs 50 I believe and makes enemy units miss 25% of the time for 60 seconds, a decent spell if you dont have mastery.

 

[Silynt Rage]

That sucks, in SC you could have what? up to like 600 food if you where protoss cuz you could posess another race? But like I said, even if you got that far in the game to posess a peon or something of that sort, you're either losing big time, or are already kicking their ass. The Gameplay of WC3 is million times faster than SC, I think that's something they should consider in the expansion of WCIII, I can't wait to see what they have for SC2 when that if ever comes out.

~RaGe~

 

[Reines]

wand of negation owns all summoned units. besides. dryads have anti magic spell and they will take out the skele's.

 

[BigBrownBear]

You relly want to know how to beat the Undead.
Humen Priest and there dispell pops the skeletons.

 

[Comin2TakeUAway]

so does the dryads of the NE, which is what he is asking for

 

[BigBrownBear]

but the priest dispell has a larger range of effect.
Also dryads will only abolish on summond units if they have some sort of buff.

 

[x42bn6]

Use those Raiders and make that Blademaster do his stuff with Bladestorm. Or just grab your allies and attack all at once.