Gender Injustice

[Jaden]

i know we are a generation of short attention spans but take a few minutes to read over the following quotes. I know most of the members here are guys and i would like particularly, to hear your ideas and thoughts on these

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Female Children

100 million girls are missing from today's population statistics - aborted, abandoned or killed due to gender.
(New York Times - 1991)

20 million of China's girls are missing, 85% of those cases are missing due to unknown causes.
(1996-TIME)

999 out of 1000 abortions in Bombay are of female babies. At some hospitals, cribs line the outside of maternity wards, holding three to four girls each, free for the taking.
(Women As Risk Takers for God, Lorry Lutz)

2 million girls, between the ages of 5 to 15, are forcibly sold each year into prostitution by parents, male partners and human trafficking.
(UNICEF)

2 million girls have been mutilated by female genital circumcision to ensure virginity.
(Why not Women? by Cunningham and Hamilton)

Women and Conflict

Rwanda, The Congo, Sierra Leone, Kosovo and Afghanistan have used rape as a systematic weapon of war with near complete impunity.
(UNICEF)

75% of the world's refugees are women.
(2000-SIGI "UNICEF Executive Director Targets Violence Against Women")

80% of women in Pakistan are abused in the home. 60% in Korea.
(Women as Risk Takers for God - Lorry Lutz)

In Johannesburg, South Africa, a woman is raped every minute. (World Vision)

In the USA, a woman is battered every 15 seconds. And 1 out of 3 will be a victim of sexual assault.
(UNICEF)

Women and the Home
5,000 Muslim women will be killed by relatives for the sake of defending family honor this year.
(UNICEF)

In Brazil, it is justifiable homicide to kill an unfaithful wife.
(TIME - 1995)

More than 5,000 brides in India are burned to death annually by their husbands or in-laws due to unmet dowry demands, or to marry again and collect another dowry from a new bride's family. (UNICEF)

450 million women and girls are physically impaired due to malnutrion. In many societies, females eat only after the males have had their fill and some nutritious foods, such as chicken or eggs, are considered taboo for females.
(World Vision)

 

[B)ushid(o]

The belief that men are superior to women still runs through countries. Most families would rather have a male child rather than a female. In Muslim countries women are like subordinates of men and are regarded as objects. That explains why a whole lot of that list is directed to primarily muslim countries. Female genital mutilations were common in African tribal rituals (i think) that ritual has not yet gone away. Many countries have not made treatment of women better. It'll be awhile till people treat women with equality.

 

[Jaden]

as a guy i think you should feel obligated to treat women with respect... why are there so few men..particularly western.. who are educated, and understand the inhumanity of these actions who don't take a stand?

 

[B)ushid(o]

Yeah I do treat women with respect...errrr... most of the time

Well it is inhumane on our terms, but hundreds of years ago these kinds of things were somewhat less frowned upon. Years ago these things were actually accepted for the most part. It continues to be accepted because those people think in 1000-1600 terms instead of the present.

Take a stand? the only people who will listen are the same people who are protesting.

 

[Jaden]

ok lets just have a very brief look at history

in the past century roughly

women have been given the vote
abortion has become legal
homosexuality has become legal
homosexual marriage is becoming legal
wages have gone up
health care has been introduced
Divorce has become legal
Domestic violence has decreased.. tolerance at least
Fair trade agreements etc have been introduced

So much has happened. and why? because people protest.. People listen when enough people take a stand. Women need men to take a stand. Imagine if countries united and refused to do trade etc with countries where these disgusting practices eg. Female genital mutilation occured. Numbers of cases would drastically decrease.. People in those countries need to be educated. People in our countries need to be made aware. and yet we all sit on our respecitve arses and let it pass

 

[B)ushid(o]

If a bunch of people rise up, but there are many women who just conform to the way society is in the country. The men don't really care since it won't help men's power. At this time no country will refuse to do trade do to this. It won't be for another hundred of years that women will be truly equal. Making people aware is already being done, but not large -scale. People should be aware, but its just not going to happen till we see another revolution, like in the homosexual one.

 

[Omega_Weapon_]

I just go along with the thought that 95% of people are inherently evil. If it keeps me from thinking, it's fine for me. >_<;;

But seriously, (most) everything comes in small steps, over time.

 

[VegetaClam]

Every Group that has been treated wrongly has had to fight for better treatment. Men are evil and women are too. We are born to take advantage. A sick sad race we are that shall learn our lesson in time.

-Vegeta Clam

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

In China they abort the women because they want a stronger work force. Divorce has been around for centuries. Is really is a shame but is protesting on a forum the best use of your time? Urm anyways I'm with ya.

 

[DB]

I say we end women suffrage... How about it?



Also, it is the belief of men > women that causes them to do this. I believe there will always be an opinion of which gender is better as long as free will exists.


So, the solution is quite simple. Kill all free will.

 

[amrtin77]

its not only western civilized men that need to take a stand. we realize its wrong. western women realize its wrong. we need the people who still think its normal to think its wrong. in our culture women have the same rights as men... you dont need us to change anything. women alone could do it if they tried. im not saying its only womens responsibility.. just tellin you that you dont need men to make a stand

its not easy to change a culture. you need to change the way they think, change their morals. im not sure if this can be done unless its forced. we dont want to go to war over something stupid like this so it never really does get done.

the UN MIGHT be able to do something. they have the respect of most nations... and it would be less like a country invading another telling them what to dso and what not to do.



the only reason you would need men to make a stand is because men still hold the most power internationally... im sure theres alot more men in the UN and high government positions than women... so that might help. but your average guy is in no better position to change someones morals than the average woman.

unless, maybe, the countries would respect a group of mens opinions over a group of womens. that may be true. but i dont think they respect any persons opinion that goes against what they believe.

 

[Kamikaze]

75% of the world's refugees are women.
(2000-SIGI "UNICEF Executive Director Targets Violence Against Women")

not to make light of the thread, but the above fact really is quite pointless.
in a war (which would be one of the greatest reasons to leave your country) what would be considered more of a threat, a man, or a woman?
it makes sense that 75% of people fleeing their homes would be women, because a lot of the males would be dead.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

I found that pointless too =/ A lot of them statistics are quite outdated.
Amartin is a girl? I never knew.. It'll take some time for them to adjust, what really needs to happen is for women in these contries to make a stand for themselves, that's what happened with the west. Emily panchurst(sp?) ect

 

[amrtin77]

im a girl? shit thats news to me...


well i said i was a girl in the "gender call" thread or whatever.. i didnt think anyone took me seriously.

 

[Jaden]

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
In China they abort the women because they want a stronger work force. Divorce has been around for centuries. Is really is a shame but is protesting on a forum the best use of your time? Urm anyways I'm with ya.

no. not in terms of helping the situation. I wanted to know what a group of people, mainly young males, thought of this. I'm not protesting, im investigating

okay, now i am protesting.

its not only western civilized men that need to take a stand. we realize its wrong. western women realize its wrong. we need the people who still think its normal to think its wrong. in our culture women have the same rights as men... you dont need us to change anything. women alone could do it if they tried. im not saying its only womens responsibility.. just tellin you that you dont need men to make a stand

I know it is not ONLY western men that need to take a stand. But the men perpetrating these crimes are not going to take a stand against their own power. its not enough to think its wrong. If you truly believe this is wrong why aren't you doing something to change it?

Women alone probably could do it if they tried for long enough. it would be nearly impossible for quite some time. However. my main point is that this should not be a women's issue. It is a human issue. countless humans are being tortured and degraded and systematically destroyed every day. and no i don't think that is an overdramatic statement. Yet it is categorised as a woman's fight. this attitude is just as degrading and backward as any stupid Somalian male who thinks it is appropriate for his 5 year old daughters genitals to be hacked into with rusty razor blades by some travelling gypsie woman and sewn up with thorns so small that many die from blood and urine poisoning, as well as being split open with a KNIFE on their wedding night.

ts not easy to change a culture. you need to change the way they think, change their morals. im not sure if this can be done unless its forced. we dont want to go to war over something stupid like this so it never really does get done.


I know you can't change a culture rapidly but education and prevention can advance change. this can only come about if people devote time and money in wealthy influential countries.

i can't believe you think these things are stupid...


only reason you would need men to make a stand is because men still hold the most power internationally... im sure theres alot more men in the UN and high government positions than women... so that might help. but your average guy is in no better position to change someones morals than the average woman.

exactly. there aren't a proportionate number of women in infulence
Im not saying you are more responsible than women im saying you are AS responsible.

ess, maybe, the countries would respect a group of mens opinions over a group of womens. that may be true. but i dont think they respect any persons opinion that goes against what they believe.

once again. so true. men are much more respected by other men. the only way to change is to try and its not impossible.

and this is not about "equality!" as such this is about basic human rights

 

[amrtin77]

Originally posted by Jaden



I know it is not ONLY western men that need to take a stand. But the men perpetrating these crimes are not going to take a stand against their own power. its not enough to think its wrong. If you truly believe this is wrong why aren't you doing something to change it?

Women alone probably could do it if they tried for long enough. it would be nearly impossible for quite some time. However. my main point is that this should not be a women's issue. It is a human issue. countless humans are being tortured and degraded and systematically destroyed every day. and no i don't think that is an overdramatic statement. Yet it is categorised as a woman's fight. this attitude is just as degrading and backward as any stupid Somalian male who thinks it is appropriate for his 5 year old daughters genitals to be hacked into with rusty razor blades by some travelling gypsie woman and sewn up with thorns so small that many die from blood and urine poisoning, as well as being split open with a KNIFE on their wedding night.

your right. i know its wrong. i know something has to be done. but i also know nothing can be done that will solve the problem anytime soon. you said it, education is required. we have to give them better lives, stronger economies... their countries need to educate them. we cant provide education to the entire world, though i wish we could. its just not possible. what we can do is help their governments out until they are able to help their own citizens out.

I know you can't change a culture rapidly but education and prevention can advance change. this can only come about if people devote time and money in wealthy influential countries.

exactly. but i have no control over that.. i can talk to people about it more. i cant dedicate money myself though... i have an 8.50 an hour job. if we could get some people with money, or have buisnesses to try to help out weaker countries then we could talk about how to go about changing their culture....

but even though i feel what they do is wrong i am not a person that likes having peoples veiws forced on me.. specially bout culture or religion. i cant expect anything real immediate to happen.

i can't believe you think these things are stupid...

the issue isnt stupid, but going to war over it is. maybe i worded that wrong. i think it would be stupid to go to war because we dont agree with their culture. thats nothing to fight over. if you want to change their minds on something do it peacefully. and war is the only quick solution to force them to be like us...

exactly. there aren't a proportionate number of women in infulence
Im not saying you are more responsible than women im saying you are AS responsible.

i agree.

 

[Jaden]

lo. oh ok. i wasn't really suggest we go to war. i just think drastic measures should be taken. Think about it. If everyone gave $2 out of their pay check for one week Australia would have like 40 million dollars. thats heaps. for two dollars. America would be a huge amount. I just think not enough resources or effort are going into this

 

[DwarfSpirits]

What would we have to do to change our cultures(globally) to fix this injustice? Be more politically correct to where you if you say bitch or whore you can really get in big trouble? maybe...

Perhaps we can change the world by changing the way we speak alone...maybe...

 

[amrtin77]

we were talkin about changin other cultures to be more like our own it sounds a little screwed up.. but i think everyone should have the right to live a humane life no matter where they were born... its not possible right now, but if we work at it maybe it will be later.

and jaden, i would be able and willing to chip in 2 dollars. hell id throw in 10 and it wouldnt hurt that much.. just a little less gas money

but it would be near impossible to get that kind of international support from everyone to throw in 2 dollars. i know for history one year our class decided to help women in bangladesh who had been victims of men who threw acid on their faces for not marrying them... the ones that survive are screwed up for life. so we got the whole school to throw in money and i forget how much we got, but it wasnt too bad. if all public schools taught their students about these things (the teacher lest us pick from a list of human right topics) then a lot more could get done, not to mention more people would be aware. maybe our first step should be into our own school system, then in a generation or two they can be ready to help the other countries get their school system and governments up.

i know the government, or big companies would be of great help when trying to establish small screwed up countries that dont have an economy or school or healthcare systems like we do. countries that dont see anything wrong with oppressing and killing their women. you need money to get a country going... and maybe a peacekeeping force to stop civil war in already militiant countries, or people who dont want us forcing our views onto them, or people who dont want change.

its going to take a few generations, but if you feel that strongly about it you should start by talking to people and bring it up to your principal, or whoever sets the curriculum for schools in the state.. or however austrailia has it set up. if you could get in touch with someone for the entire country it owuld be even better. and im sure there would be plenty of organizations for women and stuff that would be more than glad to help you force womens suffering around the world into the school curriculum.

shit.. if you actually get something started maybe id tag along in a few years.. but im not so into forcing people to change their cultures.. i think who am i to say what is right and whats wrong.. but when they start really hurting people because of their moral standpoint with no basis than their gender, then it seems worth stepping into..

i brought up the war thing as the only quick way to fix the problem... but it would be too bloody, its not worth it. and we cant invade every little country and have a presence there until they turn into mini americas.

 

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

A lot of the countries who still do this to women aren't democracies... how will protesting sway their opinion? It isn't like they will get voted out next election if they don't do what the people want, the governments will do whatever makes them more powerful. Other countries protests won't help either, nothing will stop until someone takes action, and that causes a whole mess because anyone who would take a stand probably wouldn't get much support.