Anyone who thinks like that is so ignorant that it’s not even funny.
F911 has bent the truth so far to the point that in many places it broke. In fact, there’s a good chance that its awards for best documentary will be revoked, since technically a documentary has to be completely factual.
Let me start off by posting a little something I wrote up the other day showing that the main premise of the "documentary" was based off something that has been proven false:
Clarke, the former White House counter-terrorism official and author of a recent book blasting the Bush administration's handling of intelligence leading up to the terrorist attacks, told The Hill newspaper last week that he gave the go-ahead for two members of the bin Laden family and other Saudi nationals to leave the U.S.
"It didn't get any higher than me," Clarke told The Hill . "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again." (June 01, 2004)
Contradicting what he said in National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, supporting Barbara Boxer’s rumor that the Bush administration was the one who gave the order: “The request came to me and I refused to approve it." So now we have a Michel Moore documentary WHOS PREMISE WAS SET AROUND THAT RUMOR, WHEN ONE OF BUSH’S GREATEST ACCUSERS IRONICALLY ADMITTED THAT THE ENTIRE CLAIM WAS FALSE.
As you can see, he only admitted this in early June. Moore decided to just let the "documentary" be released anyway with his own anti-American messages, even if they were fictional, rather than current them and delay the release.
Let’s look into those figures of yours. First off, the number Moore uses as evidence for his case that Bush was allied to Saudi leaders isn’t in the trillions, it was $1.4 billion. Interestingly enough, 1.18 BILLION OF THAT FIGURE WAS TAKEN FROM DEALINGS CLINTON MADE WITH THE SAUDIS EARLY IN HIS PRESEDENCY. YET HE STILL USES THOES NUMBERS AS EVIDENCE FOR BUSH'S DEALINGS.
Hate to say it man, but Clinton went golfing on vacations too. And Moore claims the security leaks where Bush's fault. Let’s see... THERE WERE AT LEAST SIX TIMES WHERE CLINTON HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH BIN LADEN, BUT DECIDED NOT TO. ONE TIME, THE CIA WERE IN POSITION TO MOVE IN AND DEAL WITH HIM WHEN CLINTON SENT AN ORDER AT THE LAST SECOND TO CALL THEM OFF. THE SIGNS WERE WELL BEFORE BUSH'S TIME. HOW LONG WAS HE IN OFFICE BEFORE 9/11? NOT EVEN A YEAR. THAT’S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO CLEAN UP ALL THE EXISTING SECURITY HOLES.
Let me give you a little metaphor. Let’s say that I made a "documentary" of Clinton's presidency where I completely ignored any of his accomplishments or the economic growth. Let’s say my main focus was his selling of ICBM technology to China and using the money on his reelection campaign and his bombing of Baghdad (which, interestingly enough, the liberals ignored at the time). That would be somewhat like what F9/11 is. Except there are shitloads of solid evidence supporting those facts and related ones, while most of Moore’s figures he uses as "evidence" come from completely unrelated things. He just fails to mention the exact nature of the figure.
Anyone who actually thinks Moore's description of Iraq as a great place with people flying kites along beaches is so uneducated that they shouldn't be allowed to vote. The VAST MAJORITY of Iraqis are much happier after we came in. Many people just don’t realize this because the media likes to interview the rare people who lost something. The human rights abuses committed by Saddam Hussein aren't chit chat material, so I'll just provide a whitehouse.gov link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html
I don’t claim to agree with everything Bush did. Yes, im a conservative, but no, I don’t think the war was constitutional, and no, I don’t agree with the way Bush went to war. But I think that some stuff you might read about in that above link and also the issues with him mustard-gassing his own cities because of their heavy shi-ite population (would be the equivalent of me gruesomely killing the entire population of a mostly-black neighborhood just because I was racist) merits it. Many people don't agree with me, and if you can back up your points, I respect that. Consider voting for Kerry, that’s what Democracy is for in this country. But don't start thinking that what Moore said was true. I've read articles by multiple major liberals saying that they disagreed with the movie for portraying America in such a negative manor, even if they disagreed with bush. So don’t think that as a liberal you have to agree with Moore... many liberals don’t.
Alright, im tired of arguing this out over and over on IM, and I had to rewrite this entire post because the domain kicked out on me. Let me just say this. Any c*cks and c*nts who actually believe in Michael Moore's America should get their sorry motherf*cking asses over to France. Were in the middle of a goddamn war. Speak up against it if you want, but don't intentionally try and lower troop morale. Moore claims hes for the troupes... Hah, moorelies.com has him quoted as egging the Iraqis to win the war. Why the hell do so many Americans hate their own country these days? Have we forgotten what the rest of the world is like? Have we forgotten the power of democracy? If you don't like bush, speak out against him truthfully, support your claims, and vote for Kerry. That’s why we have democracy. But don't start attacking America as a country and trying to lower our international appearance any more than it already is.
If Kerry is elected, I will probably speak out against things that he does, but I won't try and make things that he does turn out less well. We're in a war. You may not agree with it, but we are. So why the **** are people like Michael Moore doing thier best to make the war go horribly? We can't do anything about it now that we're in it, so whats so wrong with trying to make the final outcome as good as possible, even if it isn't the outcome you would have desired from the beginning?
Is it worth hurting a country that already has major wounds even more? Is it worth trying to deface and destroy your own country for the sake of making a political point? And is it worth bending facts nearly as far as Moore did to achieve anything? On this forum, I tried to go along with everything Cort, Skuzzy, and Placebo told me to do when I was under them, even if I disagreed with them. I might express my disagreement, but if they decided to do something I would do my best to work for the best possible outcome along the path they chose. The one time I remember not doing this was when Placebo made some rules he was going to enact I truly hated (as some of you hate the war), and I didn't go along with them. Two days later the forum went offline for a month. I should have supported him no matter how much I disagreed with him, and I still feel bad for not doing so. And this is what I fear is happening to the country. Support whoever you have; they're all you've got. Disagree with them, vote against them, but reach for the best possible outcome along the path they choose.
"Democracy is the worst form of government. Except all others"
-Winston Churchill
