Do u use this strategy?

[mistyknight]

when terran do u make a massive bunker defense then pump out billions of wraiths with cloak? If not try it, you must send out the wraiths in groups of 6 or more

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Listen, I think it's a great strat, ill warn u now, there will be people mainly a user named AKA-47 that will rip you up. He believes that everything is his way, and ur post will mean ur a newb. Just thought i would warn ya.

 

[Renzokuken]

It's a cool strat but i think they are too weak for mass assault on bases. I use them for overlord hunting and scouting. I never get very many of them! Otherwise its a good strat

 

[AKA-47]

I had a good laugh after reading pan_the_man's post

Of course, dont listen to me. I just read news about this game for hours every day, watch thousands of replays, have thousands of games on non-money maps, know the strategies the best players in the world use and have 3000 posts on forum where i have discussed starcraft strategies.
Pan_the_man, however, is always right of course. He probarbly has a life so he only plays starcraft a few hours a day unlike my 8 hours a day, but he is still right. He has probarbly never seen a progamer replay, but he still knows the best strategies in the world. He KNOWS that Big Game Hunters, the first official money map, is NOT a money map, even tho blizzard made it because people didn't want to expand.

But i was not going to flame this person. I dont flame people who bunker in, i was newb once too. I am probarbly going to get flamed now because i called somebody a newb, but the bunker in and get wraiths-strategy was invented 5 years ago and the players who was online then stopped using it 4,5 years ago because they kept losing and realized that it didn't work. Pan_the_man, flame me if u want, but the truth is, all units have a counter, only a few strategies work against each race, BGH IS a money map, and bunkering in wont work.

 

[mistyknight]

well wraithing does work especially if they put outlying supply depots or too many small mining bases. If you narrow a player down to their last big base it is quite easy to crush them with wraiths or a M&M with tanks in seige and lots of wraiths ready to defend against gaurdians or other powerful air. then you seige the bitches and then you destroy their base that way. I know that really doesn't have much to do with the whole strat but I just like that part best

 

[AKA-47]

36 hydras + 12 lurkers could probarbly kill 24 marines + 10 medics + 6 tanks + at least 12 wraiths because wraiths are not good for frontal attacks...

And massive bunker defences wont work because it will leave u with lack of mobility, a terrible economy and probarbly with a lot less units than ur enemy. The enemy will of course scout u and make anti-wraith, and ur economy wont be strong enough to change strategy.

 

[mistyknight]

not really. The lurks would have to get in range and it is much shorter than tanks. Also they cannot attack air so wraith+comsat or sv=12 dead lurks. Also unless the zerg player just turtled up which zerg players are NOT supposed to do. Since when would they have 36 hydras sittin' around? Also if they do have 36 hydras and they come at you there are two different situations.

#1-if you are on the same ground as the hydras retreat to your base and hopefully you will bring them with you and slaughter them there or retreat and build up some bats for them.

#2-if you are higher or lower ground then you also have 2 options
#1-you dropped the units on a ridge with no way leading up then you reatreat back a bit and shoot from afar with your tanks
#2-you are on a ridge with a ramp you hold your ground a probably the hydras will get stuck at the ramp so your seige tank can pick them off. or you can cloak your wraiths and pick em off at the ramp.

 

[AKA-47]

A zerg player will be able to produce 24 hydras in 30 seconds in late game, 36 hydras isn't that much and i often get 3 groups of hydras if the terran turtles and i have to contain him from expanding in stead of attacking. And the strength of a hydra/lurk attack is not the lurkers, it is the hydras. What makes zerg so difficult is the presice timing of attacks, and a good player will be able to get lurkers in range while the units are attacking the hydras. 12 lurkers = 24 dead marines, 36 hydras (or even far less) = 6 dead tanks and many dead wraiths.

 

[mistyknight]

Ok. Maybe if it was you you being the perfect little starcraft player who seems to have to always be right, ok fine. But lets say im not playing you. Lets say im playing an average/noob. So I send in this little band of merry seigers and they start shooting the buildings of the whatever race EXCEPT terran. Now lets say this person is toss. So he panicks and sends all his minions over to me. lets say 12 goons + 15 zlots. So my tank are probably killing off the Zlots because this time in the game they will prob have speed upgrades. So my tanks are killing them and so are my cloaked wraiths. Next the goons come and my wraiths kill them with the M&M while the tanks shoot from behind. Now they are dead. Now I have a panicked player with far less units. Lets say I took out a third of his army. So then I advance the seige group more. Now he really panicks and sends all his force. Then i retreat back to my base. He being a noob or average player will think he has me beat and follow me. Then I will go back to my base and mop up the army with my bunkers/seigers. Then I empty the bunkers and liberally shit on his base. Now if it was zerg the noob/average player would prob send zerglings and hydras. Lets say 40 lings and 20 hydras. So my tanks kill the lings in one hit and they cant attack the wraiths. Now my M&M team protects the tank while this is happening. Also the tanks kill hydras quite easily when accompanied by wraiths. Now when I move into the base I will use a comsat station to pick out the lurkers that the paranoid noob has left for a last line of defense.



And one last thing, do you sleep? Cause your always online.

Cheers

 

[AKA-47]

Why the hell would u go to all the trouble of making a strategy designed for killing newbs?? First of all, in most cases i only make wraiths vs terran, so why do u make them in all MUs except vs terran? Marines in late game vs toss is wasted, since high templars or reavers will kill 5-6 marines in 1 hit no matter if they have medics or not. 12 zealots could probarbly kill 24 siege tanks if u dont have spider mines to back them up. And last, but not least, good players dont panic, thats one of the things that make them good.

And no, i am not a perfect BW player. Actually, im not that good at all. I win more than 50% of my games on b.net, but then again most players there suck. There is no such thing as a perfect BW player, even the world champion makes mistakes, because BW is such a complexed game that it is impossible to learn all the aspects perfectly.

 

[AKA-47]

And i do sleep, but it's not even 1 AM where i live so i decided to check the forums before i went to bed.

 

[mistyknight]

Ok I'll just take Pan_The_Man's advice and stop talking to you

 

[AKA-47]

Ok

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally posted by AKA-47
I had a good laugh after reading pan_the_man's post

Of course, dont listen to me. I just read news about this game for hours every day, watch thousands of replays, have thousands of games on non-money maps, know the strategies the best players in the world use and have 3000 posts on forum where i have discussed starcraft strategies.
Pan_the_man, however, is always right of course. He probarbly has a life so he only plays starcraft a few hours a day unlike my 8 hours a day, but he is still right. He has probarbly never seen a progamer replay, but he still knows the best strategies in the world. He KNOWS that Big Game Hunters, the first official money map, is NOT a money map, even tho blizzard made it because people didn't want to expand.

But i was not going to flame this person. I dont flame people who bunker in, i was newb once too. I am probarbly going to get flamed now because i called somebody a newb, but the bunker in and get wraiths-strategy was invented 5 years ago and the players who was online then stopped using it 4,5 years ago because they kept losing and realized that it didn't work. Pan_the_man, flame me if u want, but the truth is, all units have a counter, only a few strategies work against each race, BGH IS a money map, and bunkering in wont work.

See everything i said was true. He even admitted that i am right. Just to tell u, BGH has the exact same, Yes MR. expert, exact same amout of minerals at the starting, that LT, or any major map AMDE BY BLIZZARD. I have never seen a BGH, areal one (i know your to blinded by your hours of computer radiation)that has the little blizzard sign. That means that you NEED TO EXPAND IN BGH THE SAME AS LT. and i don't appretiate being called a newb, and i believe you cannot learn from others mistakes only the ones you make. I don't view replays of "the worlds best" because i have learned that winning is one thing, how you get there is another. i prefer to view my own replays, learn from my mistake, fine toon my home made strats on people i actualy play. so if u must know, i don't even read ur post cause you are extremely boring and repetative in the disscussion of SC and never seem to find a way to actualy admit someone ISN'T a newbie, and someone might actualy be as good as you, or better than you.

also I played about an adverage of 6 hours a day, then there is this thing called outside, u should visit it sometimes.

 

[AKA-47]

See everything i said was true. He even admitted that i am right.

That was irony...

Just to tell u, BGH has the exact same, Yes MR. expert, exact same amout of minerals at the starting, that LT, or any major map AMDE BY BLIZZARD.

I dont care how many minerals u have at the start, there is still too much minerals on the map.

Big Game Hunters (blizzard version) has exactly 300.000 minerals and 100.000 gas at the starting bases, 180.000 minerals and 50.000 gas at each expansions and 240.000 minerals and 100.000 gas in the middle.
Lost Temple (blizzard version) has 12.000 minerals and 5000 gas at each main base, 12.000 minerals and 5000 gas at each natural expansion, 9000 minerals at each mineral-only expansion, and 12.000 minerals and 5000 gas at each island.

Total ammount of resources on BGH: 4.080.000 minerals and 1.300.000 gas.
Total ammount of resources on LT: 180.000 minerals and 60.000 gas.

I have never seen a BGH, areal one (i know your to blinded by your hours of computer radiation)that has the little blizzard sign. That means that you NEED TO EXPAND IN BGH THE SAME AS LT.

BGH blizzard version is located at [starcraft folder]\maps\BroodWar\WebMaps\(8) Big Game Hunters.scm.
The little blizzard sign doesn't mean that u have to expand, it means that it is the original blizzard map and that it hasn't been edited.

and i don't appretiate being called a newb, and i believe you cannot learn from others mistakes only the ones you make. I don't view replays of "the worlds best" because i have learned that winning is one thing, how you get there is another. i prefer to view my own replays, learn from my mistake, fine toon my home made strats on people i actualy play. so if u must know, i don't even read ur post cause you are extremely boring and repetative in the disscussion of SC and never seem to find a way to actualy admit someone ISN'T a newbie, and someone might actualy be as good as you, or better than you.

I have played starcraft for over 4 years, and i have learned most of what i know from experience. But what u should know is, every single player who uses a tank push vs toss (just to name an example) has copied that from some korean who spent too much time playing starcraft. This has been spread over b.net with replays, and it was not invented by a BGH player. I have learned these strategies from playing with my friends online, and they learned it from other players, who once watched a replay of some korean terran player. I like to watch replays of progamers and to keep up with what is happening in korea, because i find it interesting. But who knows the best, the player who has watched 1000 replays and VODs of the best players in the world and spends hours in front of the computer every day playing starcraft, or the player who thinks u have to expand 10 times and micro in BGH?

also I played about an adverage of 6 hours a day, then there is this thing called outside, u should visit it sometimes.

I have played BW for an average of maybe 6-7 hours a day since i got cable, and i have several thousand games. I go outside once in a while, like an hour every day, but my life pretty much revolvs around my computer. Doesn't this mean that in theory i am a much better player than u?

 

[Zealot]2usher]

I am a new member and I would like to comment on this strategy in the most constructive way possible: It is total crap!
Explanations below:
Wraiths are very low damaging. Too expensive for their worth. Not very good at mass attacks. Air to Air capabilities mediocre at best.
Massed wraiths will take away from your supplies, which are FAR better off used for an early tank push/drop. Massing wraiths takes far too long, and a tank/marine/medic/goliath combo works a hell of alot better in half the time it would take for you to make those wraiths.
Wraiths are shot down so fast that the entire fleet will be dust floating in the air in a few seconds. Vs Terran you use this strat, this what happens: They get Valks//Goliaths//Turrets. They shoot all your wraiths down because valks and goliaths are superior to wraiths in attack power and hit points (not goliaths, but they have far superior attack). Your fleet dies. You waste minerals. They decide to attack you. You lose. Your score is lowest. Another loss to your record. Vs Protoss you use this strat, this what happens: Corsiars and dragoons OWN wraiths. So do templars. You die, your fleet dies, they attack you, you die.
Vs Zerg, they get hydras. You die, Your fleet dies, they attack you, you die.
Vs total noob using random: They go mass carriers//bcs//guardian or devourer, and then YOU MIGHT WIN!!! BUT if they have HALF a brain they would get detecters and then you lose to a newb!

My 2 cents is, no damn way are you going to use this strat! If you do, you die. And hell, a rusher will get you before you even start off with this strat. So, reserve this strat to the Asylum: you seriously need to go there if you think this strategy works.

 

[Renzokuken]

I really dont see why AKA-47 and pan_the_man are fighting. Get over it guys. Your both different. Who cares if someones life is their computer. I certainly dont.
Your not going to settle this squabble. Just get over it and post like normal.

 

[ph0ng]

Can't we all just get along? lol kidding... AKA u are pretty good... So don't be so hard on yourself, but you are right, there is no 'perfect' BW player.

 

[Renzokuken]

ph0ng get your own avatar. Please, i start to mix you up. And yes, there is a perfect BW player. Me! hehehe

 

[wkdentns]

I used to mass wraith but it wasnt that good...
by the time I was massing my ally was dying by the time I was building I had poor defence.. Wraith cost too much and I think its better to use Wraith to kill overlord or to use it if the opponents use bc or carriers.