Contradictions in the bible?...

[jackalopes]

Ive heard some people lately saying that there are many contradictions in the bible. I havnt encountered any and I dont think there are any.

if you think you know one tell me I want proof.

 

[Korittke]

well it says men arent allowed to have seks with a wife whos reproductive (somewhere). but they prolly just mean that youre not supposed to **** in a bloodbath or something

 

[Lights]

The Bible does not contradict itself anywhere. The supposed "contradictions" are not contradictions at all. They are merely different view points, people interpret situations in different ways.

Then again, if someone thinks they have found a contradiction, please post it. I would love to check it out myself.

 

[MacMan]

Start easy: thou shalt not kill vs. everything in the first testament.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by MacMan
Start easy: thou shalt not kill vs. everything in the first testament.

Alright, but by 'everything' do you mean plain murder or the wars? In either case, it was either justified or condemned. Those times were violent and the heathans were oppressing God's people. God encouraged His people to fight, as the others were worshipping false gods, etc. Those wars were done righteously. You have to think of the reasons behind the wars.

As for murder, well, at every account the assailant was punished.

 

[Forged]

depending on how you take it yes or no. If you take it literally yes, if you look into it farther you gain your own meaning from it.

 

[Aeris22]

There might not be any contradictions to the bible itself but the way people have used it to acheived there goals, Crusades for example, massive warfare to achieve virtual nothing

 

[Zeratul_DT]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

 

[Forged]

But Zer the thing about the bible and the reason that doesn't work is because as it is a very open book people have diffrent interpretations and all of the things mean diffrent things and are not to be taken literally all the time.

I tryed your argument and found it didn't work, I have a feeling of apathy towards religon now, I no longer want to help people w/e floats your boat.

 

[MacMan]

Those wars were done righteously. You have to think of the reasons behind the wars.

They only justified themselves by using unseen "faith" as an excuse.

Moving on:
Chronicles 2:13-15 in listing the sons of Jesse says that David was the seventh. Yet Samuel 16:10-11 states that David was Jesse's eighth son.

And Jesse made seven of his sons to pass before Samuel. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Jehovah hath not chosen these. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he is keeping the sheep.
Samuel 16:10-11

Explain how this is a "different view point."

 

[Gedrin]

Take a look at the dimensions of noah's ark.

Hmm I wonder if this is some crazy attempt to get atheists to read the bible.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by MacMan
They only justified themselves by using unseen "faith" as an excuse.

But thats how you have to look at it when you are countering contradictions. I must look at it as though there is a God and he was in control of all of it.

Moving on:
Chronicles 2:13-15 in listing the sons of Jesse says that David was the seventh. Yet Samuel 16:10-11 states that David was Jesse's eighth son.

Explain how this is a "different view point."

Good times.

The two books written were written with a time span of about 500 years between them. They were written by 2 different authors with 2 different backgrounds. And for the record, Chronicles was written more recently, so if there is a dispute in the numbers, that is where the fault would lie. Plus, it was written by a female.

Birth records were not strictly kept back then and a mistake could have easily been made. Another possibility is the art of translation. Through the years, conflicts have arisen due to translation, its a very tough thing to do.

This is a point that doest contradict the point of the story, nothing is proven wrong here. David is still David, still the son of Jesse. All we have is a mistake in the numbers. A typo.

 

[MacMan]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Hold on there, pal.

They were written by 2 different authors with 2 different backgrounds.

Sorry, but Christians believe that the Bible was written by men who wrote as moved by god. That it is the true and perfect words of god for our use. God can neither lie nor contradict himself, because he is complete perfection and wisdom. If the Bible contradicts itself, then the Bible's origin is not of god.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by MacMan
Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Hold on there, pal.

Sorry, but Christians believe that the Bible was written by men who wrote as moved by god. That it is the true and perfect words of god for our use. God can neither lie nor contradict himself, because he is complete perfection and wisdom. If the Bible contradicts itself, then the Bible's origin is not of god.

Sure they do, but words were not always put into their mouths straight from God. Who are we to challenge an all powerful God? We cannot possibly know his plan in its entirety. God did not "contradict" himself here, the writers were not God.

And as I said, who knows? We cannot know what is true. It could be a mixup in translation or an error on the writers part. That is not something God would "stop", for it doesnt contradict the point of the message.

 

[MacMan]

It could be a mixup in translation or an error on the writers part.

Your entire faith is based on this single book, and yet you admit to translation error? How are you to say which parts are correct and which contain impurities? David could have been the seventh or eighth, but you can pass that off because it doesn't 'hurt' the real message, yet there are literally billions of christians who follow this book word for word.
The universe was created in seven days. Jesus rose from the dead... and will return. A flood brought down by god cleansed the entire world. A snake tricked man into a future of repentance. A burning bush spoke to Moses.
Who the hell is there to say what in the Bible does or does not "contradict the point of the message"? Better yet, who is there to say what the point of the message IS?
You cannot pass off discrepancies in your religion by simply saying 'it doesn't hurt the real meaning,' or 'if it were wrong, god wouldn't allow it.' A) There is no way to tell what the meaning of god's words are unless you HAVE god's exact words. B) God lets allot of stuff happen, you cannot guarantee he would intervene in something of his that WE messed up. Whenever people get the attitude that "GOD will help us!" it just ends up with them using god's name to better themselves (Salem trials, Inquisitions off the top of my head), this is no different. Show me that god has his finger on this little ‘Bible’ thing.

 

[Lights]

Originally posted by MacMan
Your entire faith is based on this single book, and yet you admit to translation error? How are you to say which parts are correct and which contain impurities? David could have been the seventh or eighth, but you can pass that off because it doesn't 'hurt' the real message, yet there are literally billions of christians who follow this book word for word.
The universe was created in seven days. Jesus rose from the dead... and will return. A flood brought down by god cleansed the entire world. A snake tricked man into a future of repentance. A burning bush spoke to Moses.
Who the hell is there to say what in the Bible does or does not "contradict the point of the message"? Better yet, who is there to say what the point of the message IS?
You cannot pass off discrepancies in your religion by simply saying 'it doesn't hurt the real meaning,' or 'if it were wrong, god wouldn't allow it.' A) There is no way to tell what the meaning of god's words are unless you HAVE god's exact words. B) God lets allot of stuff happen, you cannot guarantee he would intervene in something of his that WE messed up. Whenever people get the attitude that "GOD will help us!" it just ends up with them using god's name to better themselves (Salem trials, Inquisitions off the top of my head), this is no different. Show me that god has his finger on this little ‘Bible’ thing.

Listen, I am merely partaking in this debate to hear the other side of the story. I was raised all my life in Church and around Christianity, there was no escaping it. I am actually rooting for you in this so-called debate. I want Christianity to be proven wrong, that or it to be proven 100% correct. I cannot stand this uncertainty I am forced to be a part of every day of my life. When my family prays, I feel like a complete fool, like we are talking to ghosts. Its sad. I am doing incredible amounts of research right now trying to figure things out for myself. Predestination being my main point of doubt. I hope to come to a decision soon, I feel so wrong...

Anywho, now that everyone knows my life story, I must admit I cannot carry on this debate. I am no theologist and to honestly stand a chance in a debate like this one, I must be. It is 1000x easier to prove the Bible wrong than correct. Ah well, Ive been owned. GG.

 

[Ciphus]

It is 1000 times easier to prove the bible wrong. That's why it's called faith

 

[MacMan]

I was going to ask you how long you've been Christian, and if you are one out of your own free will, but you've already answered enough. I was attacking you as if you were one of the many Christians who are simply born and raised, but it's excellent that you are at least questioning it. Maybe we can get back to these contradictions

edit: Wasn’t trying to be mean, no hard feelings

 

[Lights]

As soon as I finish a book I am reading, I will make a thread about Predestination. I am not sure how much you know on the topic, but it is one of, if not the, most touchy subjects dealing with Christianity. The idea that only some 'elect' were chosen to go to heaven and everyone else has been condemned to hell since the beginning of time, is....powerful.

But sure, post some other contradictions. I will try to input my 2 cents and see if I can counter it. Maybe I will get lucky, eh?

 

[WildfireFX]

here's a really big one: god isnt real.