Conceal and carry?

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In MN (minnesota for you people who dont know your states) there is a huge debate on the conceal and carry law that has pasted. Idk if its a big debate in other states or not but do you agree that people can carry guns if they conceal them?
 

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what? concealed weapons is what is illegal. its pefrectly legal to walk around with a gun if your lisenced. i think here in ohio they just passed a law to let u have concealed weapons as long as you get a lisence.
 

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Yes this really helps our country.
lets let everyone carry there own guns around so that way when we get angry and drunk we can shoot each other...
 

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I know,theres enough violence anyways.I don't even think people should be aloud to get guns, therefore there would be less weapons to kill people, therefore less dead people,(therefore lol jk).
 

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Well, what a stupid law. Now people can hide guns under there jackets and shoot someone in the street without anyone knowing he had a gun. I know that if people were going to carry a gun they would conceal it anyway but now they make it legal, america digusts me.
 

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no roxor... if you were going to carry a gun you wouldnt conceal it if you were carrying it legally. i dont think concealed weapons should be legalized. im all for our right to bear arms, but why should concealed weapons be legal???
 

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I regret to inform many of you that you are in error. Concealed Carry Licences do not increase crime rates, nor do they prompt average citizens to begin shooting random people for pure pleasure.

http://www.kc3.com/CCWSTATS.html

http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?title=NRA Institute for Legislative Action&url=http://www.nraila.org

Read the information contained in the links and get educated. Concealed Carry permits are issued to law abiding citizens only, felons will be rejected. The percentages don't lie,

When applying for my CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) I was fingerprinted, tested and investigated extensively. You can't simply pay your money and walk out with a permit. Of course the anti-gun lobbyists would have you believe that we're all a bunch of cowboys with an itchy trigger finger.

Originally posted by amrtin77 what? concealed weapons is what is illegal. its pefrectly legal to walk around with a gun if your lisenced. i think here in ohio they just passed a law to let u have concealed weapons as long as you get a lisence.
There is no such thing as a gun license. There are permits which permit the owner to carry concealed weapons, but guns are never licensed. Gun sales are however recorded, but this is not a license in any regard.

Originally posted by dust601 Yes this really helps our country.
lets let everyone carry there own guns around so that way when we get angry and drunk we can shoot each other...
You're being ignorant to say the least. Guns are available to anyone who has the money. A CWP is a legal means by which law abiding citizens are permitted to carry a weapon for personal security.

Originally posted by ST-ST-ST I know,theres enough violence anyways.I don't even think people should be aloud to get guns, therefore there would be less weapons to kill people, therefore less dead people,(therefore lol jk).
Go right ahead, ban gun ownership. Did you read about prohibition in your history books? Obviously not, otherwise you would know that banning guns would only leave them in the hands of the criminals, and the innocent citizens would be helpless for the most part. Nice thought though.

Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROCWell, what a stupid law. Now people can hide guns under there jackets and shoot someone in the street without anyone knowing he had a gun. I know that if people were going to carry a gun they would conceal it anyway but now they make it legal, america digusts me.
And I imagine the fact that crime has actually dropped in every RTC (Right to carry) state is simply a coincidence? You disgust me, America has nothing to be ashamed for except its ignorant citizens who make brash assumptions without collecting the facts beforehand.


Originally posted by amrtin77 no roxor... if you were going to carry a gun you wouldnt conceal it if you were carrying it legally. i dont think concealed weapons should be legalized. im all for our right to bear arms, but why should concealed weapons be legal???
You obviously aren't familiar with current gun laws. Brandishing a weapon is highly illegal. Concealed weapons do not cause panic and are considered a much safer alternative to the wild west senario that you describe.
 

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well at least i learned something. are you by any chance the nuts off blizzforums?
 

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Yep.

I was bored at work today, figured I would come over and visit for a bit. :)
 

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i'm being ignorant for not being happy about people being able to carry concealed weapons whenever/wherever they want?
if thats ignorant i'm fine with that.
 

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Originally posted by dust601
i'm being ignorant for not being happy about people being able to carry concealed weapons whenever/wherever they want?
if thats ignorant i'm fine with that.
No, the ignorance stems from your claim here

that way when we get angry and drunk we can shoot each other...
To categorize CWP holders as angry drunks is a misnomer to the nth degree. As I said before, statistics indicate that CWP holders are far more responsible than the average gun owner. Any statements to the contrary are ignorant by every definition of the word. Calling you ignorant wasn't an insult, the word indicates a lack of knowledge.
 

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And I imagine the fact that crime has actually dropped in every RTC (Right to carry) state is simply a coincidence? You disgust me, America has nothing to be ashamed for except its ignorant citizens who make brash assumptions without collecting the facts beforehand.
So you're really assuming that giving the people the right to carry a gun under there vest has helped to lower crime? bullshit.
You obviously aren't familiar with current gun laws. Brandishing a weapon is highly illegal. Concealed weapons do not cause panic and are considered a much safer alternative to the wild west senario that you describe.
So people won't panic when they know that anyone surrounding them in a public place could have a weapon?
Go right ahead, ban gun ownership. Did you read about prohibition in your history books? Obviously not, otherwise you would know that banning guns would only leave them in the hands of the criminals, and the innocent citizens would be helpless for the most part. Nice thought though.
1) A criminal is more likely to shoot an innocent if they see them with a gun.
2) You are making it even easier for criminals to get thier hands on guns.
3)All it takes is for a "law abiding citizen" to get drunk and shoot someone.
4)The shooting of criminals should be left to the cops, how do you think the civilian would feel if he actually killed someone, cops are trained to shoot in non-deadly places.
5) Do you really think giving civilians firearms is a good idea?

Edit: pls either PM each other or at least having something related to the topic after you little chat.
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
So you're really assuming that giving the people the right to carry a gun under there vest has helped to lower crime? bullshit.
Criminals would rather attack un-armed citizens then to attack a person that is carrying a weapon. It makes logical sense, are you illogical?

So people won't panic when they know that anyone surrounding them in a public place could have a weapon?
Do you normally panic when you vist the mall, a bank, a grocery store? If so, you should seek help, concealed carry laws have been in place for over twenty years in many areas.

1) A criminal is more likely to shoot an innocent if they see them with a gun.
Show me any evidence to support this theory. You won't find any.

2) You are making it even easier for criminals to get thier hands on guns.
Exactly how does that work again? You're grasping at straws now.
3)All it takes is for a "law abiding citizen" to get drunk and shoot someone.
Do you know what a strawman is? Truly, you should look it up, and you might realize that it's very ineffective in a debate. Is it not possible for non-licensed individuals to get drunk and shoot someone as well? Is it not possible for a criminal to get drunk and shoot someone?

4)The shooting of criminals should be left to the cops, how do you think the civilian would feel if he actually killed someone, cops are trained to shoot in non-deadly places.
If their life were in danger, then I imagine they would feel very comforted by the fact that they were able to defend themselves instead of waiting for the police to arrive 15 minutes after they've been fatally wounded. Heard of the 2nd amendment lately?

5) Do you really think giving civilians firearms is a good idea?
Once again, have you ever in your short life heard of the 2nd Amendment? You know, it's in that seldom read document called the CONSTITUTION! It should answer your question with relative ease, but of course people like yourself don't actually care about trivial matters such as laws, but instead would prefer to sit atop of your podium and preach to the rest of us about what You feel is right!

Come back when you have a real arguement with real facts. I haven't the time or the patience to deal with your idiotic beliefs.

Edit: pls either PM each other or at least having something related to the topic after you little chat.
I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
 

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Criminals would rather attack un-armed citizens then to attack a person that is carrying a weapon. It makes logical sense, are you illogical?
I am perfectly logical, lets say some criminal comes up to a grocery store. He holds a gun to the keepers face and asks for money. The keeper trys to play hero, and pulls a gun. Bang! he gets shot, this wouldn't of happened if he didn't pull a gun. If the weapon is 'concealed' how would a criminal know he had the gun?
Criminals would rather attack un-armed citizens then to attack a person that is carrying a weapon. It makes logical sense, are you illogical?
I don't go to "malls". I don't live in america didn't you realise that when i said "america digusts me"?
Show me any evidence to support this theory. You won't find any
Its common sense. Show me evidence to prove this wrong.
Exactly how does that work again? You're grasping at straws now.
Isn't that 'nit picking'. If civilians have guns it's not going to be hard for anyone to get thier hands on a gun.
Is it not possible for non-licensed individuals to get drunk and shoot someone as well? Is it not possible for a criminal to get drunk and shoot someone?
Theres more chance of a person carrying a gun if its liecensed than if it isn't.
If their life were in danger, then I imagine they would feel very comforted by the fact that they were able to defend themselves instead of waiting for the police to arrive 15 minutes after they've been fatally wounded. Heard of the 2nd amendment lately?
I have heard of it..... but you see, i don't give a shit. I live in britain, its a stupid idea to give trigger happy americans guns in the first place.
Come back when you have a real arguement with real facts. I haven't the time or the patience to deal with your idiotic beliefs.
I use logic. You're amendments get broken as many times a finger can crack. Stop bringing the same thing up over and over.
I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
You're more clueless than i thought, wow blizzforums must be full of spam like this which isn't relevant to the topic:
are you by any chance the nuts off blizzforums?
Yep.
I was bored at work today, figured I would come over and visit for a bit. :)
I should of known mixing cement was a boring job, i hope you're employer doesn't know you're slacking off
 

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Originally posted by ORC-r0x0r-ROC
I am perfectly logical, lets say some criminal comes up to a grocery store. He holds a gun to the keepers face and asks for money. The keeper trys to play hero, and pulls a gun. Bang! he gets shot, this wouldn't of happened if he didn't pull a gun. If the weapon is 'concealed' how would a criminal know he had the gun?


I originally said that RTC states have lower crime rates. By which you replied, "If the weapon is 'concealed' how would a criminal know he had the gun?" Hello! Anyone in there? If a state has legalized RTC, then ALL criminals are aware that citizens may be armed, it would then be common knowledge, and may in fact convince some criminals to choose a life other than crime. I trust that criminals don't enjoy the prospect of being shot.

Perhaps you can tell the residents of Switzerland that they shouldn't have guns either? They REQUIRE every male between the age of 20 and 42 to keep a rifle and a pistol in their home, yet their crime rates are some of the lowest in the world. Pardon the pun, but that puts a whole bunch of holes in your theory, doesn't it?

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd061099b.html

Its common sense. Show me evidence to prove this wrong.
Common sense isn't factual, nor is it used effectively in a debate. Try again.

Isn't that 'nit picking'. If civilians have guns it's not going to be hard for anyone to get thier hands on a gun.
Are you debating concealed carry or the right to bear arms? I could have sworn this thread was about concealed carry.

Theres more chance of a person carrying a gun if its liecensed than if it isn't.
Firstly, guns aren't licensed. You would have known this if you had read my prior posts, but obviously you're using your selective reading skills today. So since guns aren't licensed, that pretty much debunks your entire last statement. Ahem.

I have heard of it..... but you see, i don't give a shit.
So you fail to respect the laws of other countries? I'll be certain to inform the border patrol of your position.

I live in britain,
I feel badly for you.

its a stupid idea to give trigger happy americans guns in the first place.
Once again, opinion is a miserable tool in a debate.

I use logic. You're amendments get broken as many times a finger can crack. Stop bringing the same thing up over and over.
Perhaps you could stop being wrong, then I'll stop repeating myself.

I should of known mixing cement was a boring job, i hope you're employer doesn't know you're slacking off
Since I own the company, it would be rather difficult to contact my employer as I don't make a habit of talking to myself. But of course, you don't really care about the truth, you're only interested in utilizing insults as a tool to debate. Insults are so very boring and ineffective, please try again using your intellect this time.
 

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"To categorize CWP holders as angry drunks is a misnomer to the nth degree."

i wasn't clasfiying anyone anything, you have a knack for trying to claim i'm steriotyping.

I said "that way when we get angry and drunk"

under the asumption that a good deal of responsible people do drink on occasion and i think its a marvolus idea for them to be able to have guns when they do
 

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Originally posted by dust601
i wasn't clasfiying anyone anything, you have a knack for trying to claim i'm steriotyping.

I said "that way when we get angry and drunk"

under the asumption that a good deal of responsible people do drink on occasion and i think its a marvolus idea for them to be able to have guns when they do
A responsible person is quite capable of drinking alcohol without getting drunk, it's called moderation. Responsible people do not get drunk and handle firearms, just as responsible people do not drink and drive.
 

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Common sense isn't factual, nor is it used effectively in a debate. Try again.
Then what exactly is that that you just posted?
Are you debating concealed carry or the right to bear arms? I could have sworn this thread was about concealed carry.
I was debating conceal and carry, just a small part of my post mentioned that i don't think it is a good idea to give civilians guns, however using the thread for a little chit chat...
Firstly, guns aren't licensed. You would have known this if you had read my prior posts, but obviously you're using your selective reading skills today. So since guns aren't licensed, that pretty much debunks your entire last statement. Ahem.
Then what would you call it?
So you fail to respect the laws of other countries? I'll be certain to inform the border patrol of your position
Ok.. you don't even know who i am... and besides who would care what i write on a forum? There isn't a 'border patrol' for my position which is a student.
I feel badly for you
Britain is a great place, i don't have to worry about getting shot in the street. I should be sorry for you, you probally have the most idiotic leader in the world.
Once again, opinion is a miserable tool in a debate.
Ok this is a forum, a place for opinions. You're saying adding my opinion in a conversation is a unhappy tool? You're sorry for me because i live in a place not ruled by a moron, isn't that an opinion?
Perhaps you could stop being wrong, then I'll stop repeating myself.
how can someone be wrong? Stop talking in yank language. Bush is dancing all over you're amendments, obviously they don't mean much.
Since I own the company, it would be rather difficult to contact my employer as I don't make a habit of talking to myself. But of course, you don't really care about the truth, you're only interested in utilizing insults as a tool to debate. Insults are so very boring and ineffective, please try again using your intellect this time.
Oh, sorry i forgot you were self-imployed, my bad :(. Will you stop talking about tools in a debate. you're calling people arrogant, which if you didn't notice is an insult. You're acting like a kid and you're supposed to be a owner of a company, for a owner you have a lot of time to reply to kids on a forum. It'll help if you'd stop renting that dictionary.
 

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Guns aren't licensed, period. There is no other name for it. My comment about informing the border patrol was made in jest, it was sarcastic in nature. Same goes for my comment about Great Britain. I've come to expect comments about Bush, but please realize that your Prime Minister, Mr. Blair, was in total agreement with Bush concerning the war in Iraq, so be careful whom you call an idiot, for you may lump your dear Mr. Blair into the pile.

As for opinion, I encourage everyone to have one, it's an exellent method of living from day to day. The problem stems from your inability to discern the difference between opinion and evidence. Opinion cannot serve as evidence and be considered the least bit convincing.

As for my behavior, I would truly like to meet the "kid" who shares my views, we would get along quite well. And exactly what dictionary would you be speaking of? My vernacular is derived directly from within my cranium. My apologies if I don't talk in l337.
 

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